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I know that we have had this discussion before but I was wondering if anyone has used just solids and, in particular, Barnes Banded Solids in their 9.3X62 on buffalo instead of an expanding bullet of some type for the first shot? In his book, African Rifles and Cartridges, John Taylor discusses the 9.3X62 and states that "The full-patch bullet has adequate penetration to kill and elephant from any reasonable angle; it will also kill rhino and buffalo on the shoulder shot." The 250 grain Banded Solids I have been shooting in my 9.3X62 can be driven faster and shoot flatter than the standard 286 grain bullet and they penetrate like crazy. Some posters seem to suggest that the round nose solids like Woodleighs may just pencil through a buff but I would think that the flat meplat and the raised corner on the bands on the Banded Solids would cause a significant wound channel. Any thoughts? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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A soft will kill alot quicker than a solid. | |||
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So now you are John Taylor? Can I get your autograph?  ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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+ 1 (at least in feral waterbuffs) L | |||
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Good question Dave. perhaps another way of putting it would be: Does a Barnes banded solid penetrate through both sides of a Buff? Does anyone have personal experience with this bullets in this caliber? Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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You don't want to use solids on buff. They will zing right through on broadside shots and wound any others in the background. It just pisses me off when I see PH's tell their clients to use solids. It is just a dumb shit thing to do. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I have a 9.3X62 Simson M98 & I plan to use Barnes TSX or Woodleigh 320gr RN for buffalo when i go after them - whether it be Australia or Africa. I arrived at this conclusion after discussing with a few guys who have been to Africa. I have also seen an article with pictures of a buffalo shot in the heart with a solid & the muscles in the heart are so strong that the wound just closes with each beat! That animal did not die for at least 20 min after the shot. A TSX or a Woodleigh RN would have killed it in less than a minute. They both would also penetrate and break bone adequately. JMHO (no experience on the matter). Good luck with your hunt. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I have seen many buff shot with solids. 9,3, .375, .404, .458. The only ones that 'worked' were the old RWS .404 solids...becuase they could be relied upon to tumble and the jacket tear open if you hit the shoulder .If you are only planning on shooting your buffalo 'up the rear' then you may well need a solid. The regular woodleigh Solids in my 9,3 (286grn at a MV of about 2380fps) will reach the heart on a 'texas heart shot'. For you as a client...you are risking a shoot through- a 9,3 solid will always exit even if you hit both shoulders and the spine. You are risking a long follow up...even with a flat meplat that buff will go a mile or more with a heart shot and maybe several mi9les and still manage a charge if you hit the lungs but not a big blood vessel in them. The advice to use solids by taylor et al applied to Kynock ammo and was always followed by ...the caliber had beter start with at least.4 and preferably .5... Stopping a charge? A decent soft point will do the job better than a solid. Flinging into the rear of a departing buff? Well I supose a solid...but personally I would not tell the client to fire again unless I had seen the shot was poor. | |||
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Thanks Ganyana. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Nakihunter: If you decide on using a TSX, will you use the 250 or 286 grain bullet in your 9.3X62? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Had a client use the 250grn TSX's last year. Worked fine. Gather they were going about 2500fps. Broadside shot stopped against offside shoulder, quatering away shot stopped in offside lung. | |||
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Have had great results from 286grn Woodleigh FMJ bullets. 320grn FMJs zip straight through Cape buffalo .  | |||
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Stick to solids when following up a wounded buffalo. A soft placed in the heart/lung area of any animal will cause massive damage to said organs which will result in a quick death.(assuming ofcourse your bullet does expand)The muzzle velocity of the 9.3 is low enough to provide adequate penetration and expansion with Nosler Partitions, Swift A-Frame etc. These bullets would be my choice for buff in a 9.3. Happy Hunting! | |||
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I've haven't been able to get a clean kill on anything with solids (no elephants attempted) A pox on the damn things, they are a leftover from before decent softpoints were invented. | |||
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I would use the 250 gr for plains game & 286 on Buffalo etc. This is only if both have similar point of impact - say 1 inch horizontal variance & max 2" vertical. Currently if I zero the 286 Labua at 100 meters, the 250 TSX hits 2" high and the 320 hits 8" low. So the 250 TSX is just 0.5" low at 200 meters. I can hit POA with the 320 by using the duplex part of the cross hairs but that would be tricky in a rushed quick reaction situation when one may not remember to do so. But at 50 meters POA&I of the 320s should be adequate for good heart lung shots as I tend to go for lower third. Again it is just my theory. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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