Weaver used to make a set of "hinged" mounts where the scope could be swung aside allowing access to open sights.

Does anyone know if anyone still makes mounts like these and if they were any good as well?

ie did they keep a consistent zero?

I thought at the time they would be a good system on a combination rifle shotgun where a scope is wanted say for a 222 and open sights for the shotgun.

Thanks

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John
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To my knowledge, Ernst Appel Werke (E.A.W.) makes the best of this sort. I've had 2 of them and return to zero is 100% (still got one on a Sauer 202). The EAW is a work of art and, of course, doesn't come cheap but then quality rarely does. They've got a site, look it up.

BTW, Steyr-Mannlicher sells a similar but proprietary mount.

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Andr�

Andre

Thanks. These look like QD or quick detachable mounts to me.

What I was asking for are not QD mounts which are available from EAW, Warne etc but mounts where the bases are fixed to the action and there is a hinge to the rings. ie the hinge pivots the whole scope to the left, but it isn't actually removed.

I have been told Weaver still makes them and will try to track that info down.

Of course the scope might upset the balance of the shotgun but I would be willing to try them anyway. Hopefully they are robust enough to withstand a shotgun.

Better than shooting a 222 with open sights, or a shotgun with a scope.

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What about the "see-through" mounts? I know they raise the scope quite high, but they maybe worth looking into....no pun intend!

Anyone interested in accuracy stays away from see-through mounts. Sean

Sean,

On a standard rifle, See-through mounts would not be my choice either but on a combo gun like this they *might* be worth considering..

It seems swing off mounts were more popular in the past; I have seen several references to them in books, but I have never seen any actually in the field..

Pete

John, the EAW are swing-out, detachable mounts, all right. I remember a side swinging Weaver mount I had decades ago, that allowed the use of open sights, when swung aside (each ring was "locked" to its base by a steel sheet acting as a spring). The only way I found to keep the scope zeroed was to reverse one of the rings so both counteracted each other - hereby negating the purpose of the swing-aside). I suppose this will answer your question as to why these mounts disappeared from the market...

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Andre

I was told Weaver still makes them and checked out their web site. Weaver calls them "Pivot Mounts" and they are cheap compared to QD mounts. (Which does seem strange?)

So it won't hurt giving them a try and if they don't work, well, I'll file them in the round file. I read an article about 15 years ago where the author used them on a Tikka M07 combination rifle/gun and he reported they worked OK.

Pete

I don't like "see through" mounts as they make you raise your head too high off the buttstock for good shooting, and for the shotgun, they don't give a good view for quick shooting.

If Pivot mounts don't work, I would go the "continental way" and get some QD mounts.

It means though you mostly hunt with no scope and then if you need one, you need to have the time to put it on. By then the hare, fox, rabbit etc has run away.

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Right, John, pivot mount was the name. I'm surprised they're still in the catalog. Right again, compared to QD's, they ARE "cheap". Keep us posted about your experience with the pivot mounts and then we'll resume our discussions about real mounts

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Andr�

I have a set of Weaver swing off rings on my '53 vintage M-70. Holds zero just fine. Cobalt

John,

Those are more or less my worries about the see-throughs but I wondered if they were in any way workable..

Another thought might be a longeye relief low power varie scope. To use the shotgun have the power cranked right down and use it with both eyes open & "point" the shotgun in the normal way more or less..For the rifle crank it to x4 or x6 and away you go...Again not an ideal solution, but maybe worth a try with you don't fancy carrying a scope around with you....

Regards,

Peter

Nitro; I've have several sets of Weaver tip-offs. Contrary to what is said here, I had a set on a 308 & 280 for a while & had NO accuracy problems with either one. E-me & Let me know what gun you need them for & I can provide you with a set for a very reasonable cost.

I've had a set of Weaver pivot mounts on my .338 Mag. for years. Works just fine.
Paul B.

I had a set of Packmayer on a M-70 35 or 40 years ago, as I recall, they would swing out of the way so you could use the Iron Sights. They had a nut like arangment so you could adjust the tension. It was ok, not great. As I recalled it would hold zero ok to a point but it was more pain that it was worth. Over the years I seen just about every kind of mounts. All of the those early swing detacables not very good in my view. The good ones were very expesive claw mounts, like now and back then, not cheap the other was the Griffin and Howe side mount. That required great skill in both metal and wood to fit right so it would work properly, that to was expensive for the time. All of the ones I have seen were installed by guys who best can be discribed as butchers. I seen some really nice Pre 64's winchesters that were so wrecked, on was a very nice .375 that should have been worth better that 2000, Instead is sits on the rack collecting dust, the guy had a smith install one of those G+H mounts and he drilled too many holes. and took to much wood and it was a poor job. A lot of damage was covered by the mount plate, It was a real surprise when it was taken off. Just a mess. For the Money you can't beat Warne's and for a little more Talley's. This is not to say that the G+H was a bad mount, its very nice and its strong. But The best installation jobs I ever seen were by Griffin and Howe. I think they had all the right gigs and fixtures to do the job square and correct. I think Holland and Holland made something simular, and since its Holland and Holland my guess you would have to give them one of your daughters to get one. I seen a lot of abortions that passed for gunsmithing.

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Nitro
I had a Weaver pivot on a 88 Win in 308. They lasted about 8 yrs and then shot all over the place.I replaced it with 2 pc Weaver bases and have had no more trouble. Last week a customer brought in a 99F in 308 his mount was 15-20 yrs old. He had exactly the same problem. New solid mounts was the cure.
I think the less you Pivot them the longer they last.

Rich

I brought a sav 99 300 with weaver swing mounts gun was made right after ww2 still tight and no trouble with them holding zero. But then I do not swing them much only once ot twice a year to check zero.

Well I would want to use these mounts on a 12g/.222 combination rifle/shotgun.

So they would get a lot of use and used probably several times a week, with several "swings" per hunt.

But the price listed on the Weaver site is not a lot, so when I get the combo I will probably give them a try. They may need modification anyway to fit on a Tikka or Valmet (or Fennewerke) combination gun.

If they last eg 8 years, they probably still worth it considering the use they will get. If they don't last long I will replace them with QD mounts.

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