Does anyone know of any new stuff Remington will have for 2011? When will Remington release the new stuff?

I saw thison's Hobby Guns The 2011 Remington 700 CDL SF Limited Gun of the Year is going to be... the 6mm Remington!

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Originally posted by Tom S:
Does anyone know of any new stuff Remington will have for 2011? When will Remington release the new stuff?

The bigger question is "Will Remington still be in the gun making business in the future?", after paying out tens of millions for a class action lawsuit and having a recall on all the Remington 700's made over the past 60 years. They have some major hurdles ahead of them. I hope they can survive and get back on track. Remington has already paid out over $20 million in lawsuits over this "Walker" trigger with many more cases pending, and continues to install it in some of their rifles. They have some serious decision making problems at the corporate level, and continue to deny their obvious problems.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by Tom S:
Does anyone know of any new stuff Remington will have for 2011? When will Remington release the new stuff?

The bigger question is "Will Remington still be in the gun making business in the future?", after paying out tens of millions for a class action lawsuit and having a recall on all the Remington 700's made over the past 60 years. They have some major hurdles ahead of them. I hope they can survive and get back on track. Remington has already paid out over $20 million in lawsuits over this "Walker" trigger with many more cases pending, and continues to install it in some of their rifles. They have some serious decision making problems at the corporate level, and continue to deny their obvious problems.

Now you picked a fight. I'll wait for the Remington apologist to start posting.

I hope the price for used M700's nose dives.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by Tom S:
Does anyone know of any new stuff Remington will have for 2011? When will Remington release the new stuff?

The bigger question is "Will Remington still be in the gun making business in the future?", after paying out tens of millions for a class action lawsuit and having a recall on all the Remington 700's made over the past 60 years. They have some major hurdles ahead of them. I hope they can survive and get back on track. Remington has already paid out over $20 million in lawsuits over this "Walker" trigger with many more cases pending, and continues to install it in some of their rifles. They have some serious decision making problems at the corporate level, and continue to deny their obvious problems.

Now you picked a fight. I'll wait for the Remington apologist to start posting.

I understand that lots of folks will continue to stand behind Remington regarding the 700's and they have a right to love their rifles and be passionate about them. However, the fact of the matter is that Remington is being sued and have paid out and will pay out many more millions before it's over; now that is a problem, undeniable. If you're losing lawsuits over a perceived or real trigger issue, then there is a real problem.

Mike

Lots of big companies have traveled down this path and survived just fine. GM, Ford, several drug companies, TOYOTA, DuPont, etc. and the beat goes on. Remington will survive, with the help of it's multiple insurance carriers and business loss write-offs not to mention it's investors. Future revenue is there to support the losses as well. In the grand scheme of business, a minor setback. I have had many and still do have a few Remington rifles and never had an incident. I have zero issues purchasing remington rifles. Keeping the muzzle of any gun where they are supposed to be goes a long way to preventing any safety/trigger related injuries.

All the big news releases are announced and touted at the SHOT show.
January Show

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
I have zero issues purchasing remington rifles. Keeping the muzzle of any gun where they are supposed to be goes a long way to preventing any safety/trigger related injuries.

Unfortunately we live in a society where the blame is almost always put on the other person/maufacturer. Guess we can thank all the liberal lawyers for that.

Remington picked up a 20 million plus contract with the US Army for the next generation MSR Modular Sniper Rifle. It has a new action made of titanium, and is convertible in the field by the end user (i.e. the sniper) to 7.62 x 51, 300 Win Mag, 338 Lapua Mag or 338 Norma Mag (Basically a shorter, more efficient version of the 338 Lapua Mag. The suppressors will be supplied by AAC, which is owned by the Freedom group.

Remington has also just released a modular stock/receiver section/for end/ bipod chassis as an upgrade for all the M-24 sniper rifles still in existence. Needless to say, any 700 action with a varmint weight barrel will fit in it. That chassis will cost as much as a rifle, and it does not even come with a trigger. There are waiting lines to get that piece of kit.

The ACR rifle (Adaptive Combat Rifle; formerly the Mag-pull "Masada") has survived its initial teething problems, and is starting to post decent sales numbers. It will end up as a US made homage to the SCAR rifle that is now issued to the Special Operations Community (ok, Command). The ACR will be about $1,500.00 less expensive. One rifle, many different barrel lengths to buy. The three gun competitions are passing all other types in numbers of people competing and money spent on guns and gear.

The various camouflaged AR rifles (available in .204 Ruger, .223 Rem, 30 AR [a new cartridge for mid-range work on mid-sized animals], 6.8 SPC [I believe], and 450 Bushmaster) are selling very briskly with varmint, deer and hog hunters.

There is a modest resurgence in interest in the Remington 7600 pump action rifle, especially in its .308 incarnation with the carbine length barrel. Those are accurate, and handy to swing.

The new, weather proof and camouflaged 870 shotguns are finding favor with deer, waterfowl, turkey and upland game hunters.

Other than that, I cannot think of anything new going on at Remington.

LD

It was mentioned that Remington has a recall on the triggers. I have not seen this bit of information anywhere. Are they actually going to recall/fix the Model 700 triggers?

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Originally posted by sbhooper:
It was mentioned that Remington has a recall on the triggers. I have not seen this bit of information anywhere. Are they actually going to recall/fix the Model 700 triggers?

What I meant to say was that they may potentially face recall to replace these triggers. We'll see how many more millions they pay out before they find it necessary to do a recall. Having been associated with the pharmaceutical industry for awhile, it is usually cheaper to recall, fix, and move on before more "accidents" occur. However, it doesn't look like Remington wants to do that. This is no longer about "quality control, user negligence, etc", Remington has been found at fault whether we think it's right or not, and they will continue to loose in court and in the court of public opinion, which is more important. They need to fix things and move on, or else this will continue for decades to come.---------I like Reminton products, always have, and believe that Remington, along with Winchester, Marlin, Ruger, & Savage are the bread & butter for hunters all over America.

I have customers coming in everyday asking about the problems with Remington rifles. This thing is a publicity nightmare for them. The AD's are more common than some of you think; people just didn't know what the problem was before. Now that they know, more & more cases will rear their ugly heads.

In response to a PM question addressing my guesses as to where the model 700 and model 7 lines may be headed:

"I do not know what Remington has in store for 2011 in the model 700 and model 7 lines.

With that LARGE caveat out of the way:

The 700 line is so simple and classic in design that it is easy to play around with stock styles, barrel contours, different calibers, camouflage, short, long etc.

I am betting that they will offer a model in both ADL and BDL based on the Blackhawk! Axiom stock. That stock features a very simple and repeatable bedding arrangement, the length of pull can be varied up to four inches, and the comb can be moved up or down. Additionally, there is a shock absorber arrangement in the butt of that stock. It is an inside the park home run.

If I had any money, I would likely buy the 2011 classic in 6mm Remington. Now that the twist rate has been tightened up (to 1:9 or 1:10, I believe), that caliber becomes more potent and flexible than the .243 Winchester for a host of reasons; more powder capacity, more taper to the case for those hot days, the burning gas jets come together in the case neck instead of the rifle's throat and it has more grunt with the 100 grain Nosler partitions.

Again, this is just a guess, but I believe we will see a more complete line-up of calibers in the model 7 platform. 6.8 SPC, 30 AR, 6.5 Grendel, .204 Ruger, 6mm BR, 6mm X, 7mm-08, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 x 47 Lapua and others of that ilk make sense to me, if not to the suits at Freedom group.

The good news is that there are more actual shooters, hunters and fishermen/fisherwomen in executive positions.

One thing that started last year (or the year before) is that Remington is finishing the metal in their receivers, bolt and barrels with a Physical Vapor Deposition process, and/or Melonite/QPC/Salt Nitriding system. Either way, it bonds with the inside and out side metal equally. That translates into no barrel corrosion. Good news, I believe."

LD

It seems to me that this thread has been, deliberately or otherwise, split into two different threads:

1. The original subject.

2. Discussions, hand wringing, pontificating and guessing about the trigger issue(s).

With all respect mdstewart, and I truly respect and read your thoughts and opinions, may we please reserve this thread for our annual guess fest as to what will be announced in six weeks.

Please move the trigger recall/demise of Remington/survival of Remington/evil this and bad that to a separate thread so that this thread does not become any more hijacked than has already occurred. Sure the issues are intertwined. Pray let us consider them separately, and then possibly discuss the effects of each issue upon the others down the road a touch.

Thank you in advance for keeping with the spirit of this board. It is easy to start a new thread on a topic that is on your mind. I do it all the time. I do not know that I impart ANY wisdom, but I surely do gain much wisdom. That is the etiquette standard that we all aspire to here. Of course, we often fall short of our standards. I believe that you will uphold these standards, and act as an example for others. Thank you.

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Does anyone know of any new stuff Remington will have for 2011? When will Remington release the new stuff?

LD

Remingtons web site has been updated with the new stuff for 2011

What! a topic went off in eighteen different directions. How could that happen?

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Originally posted by Tom S:
Remingtons web site has been updated with the new stuff for 2011

Shame it wasn't proof read.
Cheers...
Con

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Originally posted by Con:

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Originally posted by Tom S:
Remingtons web site has been updated with the new stuff for 2011

Shame it wasn't proof read.
Cheers...
Con

IMO Remington's website is among the worst in the firearms industry for accuracy of content. I even have to use different screen settings to go there.....skroo-em!

I just read in American Rifleman Remington will be making a 1911 45 auto! That got to be a tough market to compete in. Apparently, aiming more toward the low end market.

Remingtom making the 1911? Ho hum! Now far better IMHO would have been to re-do their 45 ACP version of the PA-51.

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IMO Remington's website is among the worst in the firearms industry for accuracy of content. I even have to use different screen settings to go there.....skroo-em![/QUOTE]

Maybe the Chinese wrote it, in anticipation of building their guns in the coming years....???

Possible? Yes. Likely? Anyone's guess.

Apparently they have already shipped 1911s. A local gunshop said they were a great deal for the money and had sold out quickly.

I recieved a surprise when I went to the new Ithaca Gun Company to pick up a 28 ga Model 37. They are really a small botique company. While there i saw literally hundreds and hundreds of model 1911's lined up on tables through several rooms. Got to examine them, and was told that they were exact copies of the 1911 made by Ithaca during WW II. They also had a modernized version, and a limited number of cased customs priced at around $3500. Odd thing is, I have seen no mention of them anywhere and no ads, but they sure were assembling a bunch of pistols.