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I posted once in one discassion; now some more pics:
















Three types of cartridges (RWS, Barnaul, Novosibirsk):



 
Posts: 2356 | Location: Moscow | Registered: 07 December 2012Reply With Quote
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very interesting, what is it?
 
Posts: 267 | Location: Kingsville, Texas 78363 | Registered: 19 June 2008Reply With Quote
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Very nice, well made looking rifle.
Do tell some more about it.
 
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I like the cartridge counter in the magazine.
 
Posts: 2097 | Location: Gainesville, FL | Registered: 13 October 2004Reply With Quote
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About this rifle.
Well, this is really rare bird. It was made on this factory:
http://www.tulatskib.ru/produce/civilian/hunt-kar.php

History of rifle is complicated. Many years ago TsKIB did MTs13, sport rifle for Olympic games, in 7.62x54R. It was with modified Mosin bolt. And in 60-ths Leonid Brezhnev asked them to make hunting rifle in .308 a-la Mannlicher. So they took MTs13, designed rotary magazine like Mannlicher had, and made their own Soviet .308 rounds (!) (in that time characteristics of original NATO round were secret). Now this rifle is MTs19-07. There are only about 200 such rifles. Later they made bigger variant - MTs19-09 in 9.3x64. It’s rather expensive – I paid about 2 thousand dollars, now it costs more.
There are some shortcomings - for example only 5-round magazine, in some countries (as I've heard in South Africa) they are forbidden. Magazine is the only part of light alloy (like Ergal), other parts - only steel and wood. Original Mannlicher have today plastic rotary magazine and optionally - usual for 3 (I think) rounds.
Unique mount, trigger with shneller and so on.

Here some more pics of my MTs19-09:
http://www.maksimov.su/in.php?.../mc19-09/mc19-09.htm
Pics were made by my friend near Sochi, where winter Olimpiada was in 2014. We waited there for brown bear, who visited my friend apiary - but failed.
Brenneke ammo are using as a experimental Sniper round. There are some models rifles in this caliber/ MTs19-09 is good, but expencive; Los-9 may be interesting (the cheapiest rifle of the world in 9.3x64). And Tigr-9 (SVD-9) – perfect machine.
But frankly speaking I think it's simplier to rechamber M-98.

some russian rifles in this caliber may be imported in USA: http://www.thehighroad.org/arc...dex.php/t-79261.html

In Russia and in Europe there are special limitations about rifles, for example in our country reloading for rifle is a federal crime it's small problem for our hunters, benchresters and varminters who made ammo at home .
But Russian and German rounds (RWS, Brenneke) 9.3x64 are acceptable through licenced shops.

About cartridges
Barnaul plant is army arsenal, so cartridges with steel brass are simple, reliable and cheap. And they have practically the same trajectory as RWS cartridges with TUG bullet. Novosibirsk (LVE) aren’t cheap and aren’t good. Now Europian ammo is not available because of the sanctions.
 
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Beautiful rifle. !! . It's amazing how perfect the reciever to barrel junction is. I can't tell where the reciever stops and the barrel begins. . You must have very good eyes if you can use those express sights. Tho they look like they would lend themselves to quite precise shooting in good light. ! Very nice. I will check out the links you posted!


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
Posts: 1934 | Location: Eastern Central Alaska | Registered: 15 July 2014Reply With Quote
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Yes a very nice rifle. Is it the original stock? Do i lock on four bolt lugs?
 
Posts: 3611 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With Quote
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And a rotary magazine! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
 
Posts: 3785 | Location: B.C. Canada | Registered: 08 November 2005Reply With Quote
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Nice rifle Vashper!!! Let's see somethiing you have killed with it.
 
Posts: 2173 | Location: NORTHWEST NEW MEXICO, USA | Registered: 05 March 2008Reply With Quote
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I like it!
 
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Beau . You must have very good eyes if you can use those express sights. Tho they look like they would lend themselves to quite precise shooting in good light. !


You see, the producers of this rifle is rather military designers than hunters. Sighting devices, therefore, a copy of the usual sights conventional military rifles of the early 20th century. Could You explain your thought - what should be the sight for shooting in low light?
 
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Is it the original stock? Do i lock on four bolt lugs?



Yes, the stock is original. This is a simple version without the black wood on the end of the forearm and arm. But in principle, you can order any shape, "any whim for your money". Lock on 2 lug, in General, the shutter is a variant of the Mosin.
By the way, at this plant, you can buy a stock for Mosin and Mauser M98 from the wood of a walnut, but it costs about $200 - I think it's expensive.
 
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Originally posted by impala#03:
! Let's see somethiing you have killed with it.


Very poisonous remark Smiler Is that I'm not too boasted of my rifle? Smiler Unfortunately, in recent years, it's bad with hunting. I live in Europe's largest metropolis, to the nearest partridge I have to go by car. In addition, in recent years, we are victims of African swine pest and wild boars either die or are destroyed within the quarantine measures. Therefore, on very rare hunting on wild boar (carried out mainly by the RAID) I take semi-automatic "Vepr" ("boar") in 308 caliber, because you must shoot quickly and possibly for several animals. .
About moose with huge antlers, as in Alaska, I can only dream of - had to go to Kamchatka, and this is further than Africa. In the European part of Russia individual hunting for moose is a rarity. Usually this is also driven hunt with 10 hunters and 5-6 Rangers. Last year managed to get only 2 hunts for moose, and both times not me shot .
By the way, on last hunting a rare case was: two shooters shot an moose at a time, so the sounds of the shots merged into one; every't heard another shot. One shooted in front - to the heart, the other from side - to the neck. Well, that moose was not horns, in another case it would be a conflict for the trophy.
I may be able to go to Belarus - there is a much more game, except wild boars and moose are also deer.
 
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