I was looking for a used back up gun but I was in Walmart and for $397 I can buy a new Winchester super black shadow in 270 WSM with a cheapie 3-9 scope on it. Not ever owned a winchester bolt gun ( I think they have a new control feed item as well) Are they avarge shooters , can the triggers be adjusted?

Last but not least I am not up on the WSM. I have sen the ballastics but how does it work in real world shooting??

I am not a fan of the WSM rounds. However I won't address that here. This guy is in the process of testing a Black Shadow. Here is the link

http://www.realguns.com/

ZM

Steve: I bought a Super Shadow in 270 WSM a couple of months ago from Walley World (for $389, I think). It's been pretty impressive. If you only like walnut and steel, you'll hate it. But if you like function, it is great. I replaced the el cheapo scope with a Leupold and have tried a number of handloads with 130 and 140 grain bullets. It is not too picky. Worse groups are about 1.5", best ones have been 0.5". And they are all nice and round groups without those annoying flyers. (Exception: it is a fairly light barrel, and it heats up pretty quickly in Texas in the summer, so you need to take your time and not get the bbl too hot).

It has the new "Controlled round push feed" which seems to work very well. It feeds as smoothly as any of my pre-64's.

It is fairly light and, in my opinion, very well balanced. But with the thick recoil pad, it seems to kick less than my standard 270 (which has no pad).

All in all, I'm looking forward to carrying it hunting this fall. Regards, Jim

Isn't the Black Shadow simply a model 70 with a cheaper stock? Does it have the push-feed action? I believe I read a report in "Gun Tests" last year about this rifle. If memory serves, they basically described it as "everything you could want in a rifle" and called it an incredible deal. About the .270 WSM, regardless of what one may think of these new short cartridges (I've never even fired one, personally), the reception of the .270 WSM seems to be universal love from those who use it.

To get this kind of rifle for less than $400 seems to be fantastic from where I live. Unfortunately, you can't buy rifles from Wal-Mart here.

What does everyone else think?

Steve;
There a lot of guys with Super Black Shadows in the WSM offering that are have real good results.
Some are restocking them and some aren't.
Go to ShortMags.org , quite a few threads to read there on the subject.

[ 08-13-2003, 06:15: Message edited by: Marsh Mule ]

I want to thank all who replied. I Bought one today from wally world. Now for some better optics. I own a burris 3-9 fullfield II that I like better than my Leupold 3.5-10 III. I see that SWFA has them with a free spotting scope. Has any one looked through this spotting scope?? Seems to be a good deal, if the optics are up to par with other Burris products.

P17, Orion is quite correct about the Super Shadow. That controlled round push feed is a copy from what Savage did a few years ago for the Safari Express model. If you appreciate function rather than form, I think it's probably one of the best values out there. Jon Sundra wrote an article recently about it and I think he was right that Winchester will eliminate the regular push feed in the next couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised to see other manufacturers follow suit. This action has too many good features to ignore.

olarmy did you have to free float the barrel to get that kind of accuracy,thanks,keith

I'd be very curious to learn how this rig performs. Again, I am simply astounded that you can get these kinds of features and performance for less than $400 U.S. If the rifle shoots, this sounds like an incredible deal for something that could give you a lifetime of satisfying use.

A friend of mine won one... so
he had me put that stock on his son's 70 youth... bedded it, worked perfect...

then he had me stick the shadow in a featherweight stock, and lengthen the LOP.. turned out great...

it is a controled feed... it's NOT push feed... it CAN feed from just tossing one on the action, and closing it... just like a good mauser.... or pre64 win...

it DOESNT have a huge extractor, which is why some people call it controled feed/push... I think even win does... but it picks the round up and holds it..

i usually hate plastic stocks... this one is plastic, but it's OKAY...

shoots great.. subinch with factory... but, I've only worked on 3 wsm's to date, and ALL of them shoot well with factory...

it's on a pronghorn hunt, as of today

jeffe

kieth: nope. I haven't messed with the bedding. The only thing I did was reduce the trigger pull, which took about 2.5 minutes and a small wrench. I'll say again: It ain't pretty like my pre64's, but it's the best accuracy that I've seen from a "stock" factory rifle in 40 years. Regards, Jim

Well i bought it the scope is very chessy but I plan on shooting some groups with it in the morning as is with 130 grn factory ammo at 100 200 and 300 yards. With cheesy scope. i really like the feel of the gun nice and light. I scrubbed the bore clean was very dirty. Boe seemed smooth no rough spots I used USP bore paste to give it a good cleaning seems good so far.

I will find out in the morning will post groups.

Now for a scope HMMMMMMM..

Jeffeosso, how much did the rifle weigh after putting it in that featherweight stock and what kind of stock was it?

Bruce,
great question.
the 300wsm from the super shadow weighed 8 4 before scope, in a winchester featherweight stock, adding a spacer and a pack f990 pad.

the 708 youth, going into the plastic stock, weighed 7,9, WITH scope.

jeffe

Well I took it out to shoot some groups. I had a few in the 1.60 range not bad for factory stuff.

All shooting off bench at 100 yards. I cleaned the gun barrel was very smooth inside no excessive buildup. I wanted to try some 200-400 yards shots. My first 200 yard shot missed the back stop. NOT GOOD. I have my own range 800 yard + BUT people do live on the other end. Back to the 100 yard again way off.

HMMM I pull the bolt look throgh the bore and then at the cross hairs WOW way off the the right. The chessy scope broke after 30 rounds.

Oh well I was going to replace it anyways.

Now for the question who has some great deals right now on scopes?? Any one try the Nikon buckmaster?? I have never owned a Nikon but have heard they are very clear. the Simmons atec are on sale in midway any one try that scope??

Money is a tight now that I am on workers comp so I am trying to save a little bit. Tough when I have great glass on my other rifles and now trying to save a few bucks.

Thanks

[ 11-05-2003, 07:50: Message edited by: Steve in MI ]

Based largely upon Olarmy's rave reviews, I went to Wally World and plunked down my $389 for a .270 WSM. I replaced the scope with a Nikon 4-12 - and a good thing. The base screws were loose!

Hey Jim, you gonna refund me if it doesn't shoot?

Seriously, if this rifle shoots into 1.5" it will be quite a deal. Anything better is icing on the cake.

Tim

I've got the push feed, blind magazine version from Wal-Mart in 7mm Rem Mag. Nice rifle, shot very accurately originally, only squawk I have is that it occasionally won't pick up the top round out of the magazine because the bolt doesn't quite go back to the very rear of the magazine box. Something needs adjusting a bit. If I load the top round up against the front of the magazine, no problem, and after firing a shot they're all up there.

I haven't fired that rifle for the last few trips it's made it out to the range. My son in law likes it and was concentrating very hard but not shooting well with it. (Lately he's usually been beating me, and I just got him started shooting this year.) Last night I found out why. The scope was about to fall off! Had to take all the screws out and Loctite 'em, then touch up the scratches on the scope body with a Sharpie where it had slid forward in the rings. I'm glad I didn't lose the mount screws for the bases; they were that loose!

[ 11-05-2003, 07:49: Message edited by: NotRicochet ]

Up date on mine the stock was hitting the barrel in the front i floated the chessey stock and the groups are under a inch now. I plan on re-barreling it and using a A-5. The gun is not shooting to bad for what I paid. It wil work for this season but after that look out with a great barrel and anice stock this thing should really work well for the LR stuff.

A good friend of mine's son bought one as his first deer rifle. I've shot it a few times and really like the rifle and cartridge, planing on getting one after the season.

I've been thinking about getting one, but the gun shops here want about $530 for them (without the cheesy scope.) Walmart is not selling guns in Kalifornia now - I've heard different stories about whether they will in the future or not. If I could get one for under $400, I'd be right on it. I would just have to decide on .270 WSM or 7mm WSM.

[ 11-05-2003, 21:05: Message edited by: Calif Hunter ]

I think if I had to do it over I wouldnot buy the super shadow. AS it does shot ok it it isnot what I want as a end gun. So I would look at a coyote or such.

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I have my own range 800 yard + BUT people do live on the other end

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Hmmm. If people live at the other end, I don't think that qualifies as a range.

All that aside, the cheapo Wally M70's seem to be real shooters. I got a 270 Win last year that simply refuses to shoot poorly with anything I've tried, flimsy plastic stock and all. And that's with the Simmons scope that was part of the package. The darn thing shoots so well that I'm going to slap a Leupy on there.

In the low-cost scope arena, the best I've seen are the Bushnell "Trophy" series. Under $100 at Mid-South for a 3-9x40. Hard to beat.

R-WEST

I put one of those Bushnell Trophy scopes, a 3-9x42, on my Wal-Mart Weatherby Vanguard about 5 years ago. It's been shot a lot, with heavy loads mostly using a 200 grain bullet with 95-100 grains of a slow powder, and it hasn't shaken anything loose yet. (Other than my shoulder and jaw.) It has nice clear optics and good dim light visibility.

R-west not sure where you live but of the few dozen ranges I have shot at they all have something on the other end that would be other than just open space. I have my own range where i hae built a berm that is better than most "ranges" that I have shot at. The house's are 750 plus yards after berm and then through a 3/4 acre wood lot.

Greedy kids sold off the the land so city folk can come and let there cats run free and tresspass on my land. God you have to love that.

Even though I think they are scum I would not wish a bullet to harm them. At least one that I fired. Are you implying that I am un-safe?? Or are you just trying to make a point that ranges never have anything but open space beyond??

Living in Mi it gets tough to find much open sapce at all. Be happy if you have great open fields that are not surrounded by homes. You are lucky

Steve - No offense intended. Your original post didn't say anything about the woodlot and 750 yards, etc..; just mentioned there were houses somewhere down-range. Hey, you're the guy shooting there, if it's safe to you, then it's safe.

R-WEST