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Why is it that we in the US write 6.5x55 but most of us in the US will write 9,3x62.

If we have adopted the comma for the 9,3. I think we should adopt the comma and use it for 6,5x55.

How dare we not respect the 6.5x55's European heritage.

Inquiring minds want to know...

Hey it was either that or a discussion on the best bullet for whitetail deer.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I give up.

However, I think that the comma should be dropped and the "9.3" adopted.

The comma is a punctuation mark for written word. The decimal point is correctly used in a numerical quantity such as "6.5"

Of course my grammar sucks and my math ain't the best either. hilbily


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Mike, exactly who in the US writes it 9,3X62? Maybe some fresh-off-the-boat German dude but certainly no red-blooded 'merkin. The nine point three by six two is confusing enough for the bubbas out there.


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Forrest,

Just go hang out on the African Big Game Hunting forum...and you can see all the cultured sensitive merkins.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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The German notation is 9,3, 6,5, etc.

The Krauts are more specific about what . means.

The Scandinavians split 1/2 and 1/2 on using the , or the .

I ten to use the , because my core reference books on those cartridges are in German.

In their reloading books and advertisements for cartridges of US origin, they (the Germans) are scrupulous about using the exact US nomenclature.

Now I have to go look up "merkin".


 
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Now I have to go look up "merkin".

Look in your "Bubba" dictionary! dancing


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Mike, exactly who in the US writes it 9,3X62? Maybe some fresh-off-the-boat German dude but certainly no red-blooded 'merkin. The nine point three by SIX TWO is confusing enough for the bubbas out there.


Surely you mean nine point three by SIXTY TWO

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I'm so confused now, I don't know what I mean.


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i have wondered on that too,
why write . when we pronounce ,

the world is full of inconsistency, most likely to mess with my mind.
 
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Now I have to go look up "merkin".


Please explain to this confused Brit after you have done so, the word "merkin" refers to a pubic wig worn by Elizabethan prostitutes in the proper usuage.... Eeker
 
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European nomenclature for cartridges is the best and most logical just as SI units of measurement make a lot more sense to me. I prefer 7,62x51, 7,62x63,.....instead of .308 Winchester, .30-06,....
 
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Maybe some fresh-off-the-boat German dude

I work with some and they toss a comma or decimal point around equally. There nines also look like g's. Its on the list of things that drive me nuts with them.
 
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Yup.

Thinkin' the "best bullet for whitetail" woulda been the way to go.


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I say 9,3x62 because that is what the head stamp says. My 6.5x55 brass all says 6.5x55.

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Its probably the same reason some of us feel compelled to have a book for a signature line and others do not. Smiler
 
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Hey it was either that or a discussion on the best bullet for whitetail deer.


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Is 9,3x62 pronounced 9comma2x62 or 9point2x62? How about .30,06? Confused Confused

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nah just pronounced "nine three by sixty two"

nobody really cares whether its a comma or period... jumping


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Hmm, all my .366's are marked 9,3. I spose it's my German heritage. That or I don't have a period in my stamp set?




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Please explain to this confused Brit after you have done so, the word "merkin" refers to a pubic wig worn by Elizabethan prostitutes in the proper usuage....

Well that fits me.

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Maybe some fresh-off-the-boat German dude

I work with some and they toss a comma or decimal point around equally. There nines also look like g's. Its on the list of things that drive me nuts with them.


The whole 9 and G thing is enough to make you MAD! holycow
 
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ConfusedMust be a slow day bewilderedroger


Yup.

Thinkin' the "best bullet for whitetail" woulda been the way to go.


No shit. Only thing I learned today is that someone other than me knows what a "merkin" is...and it is not RedNeck for American. Cool

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Here in Tennessee, the 7x67 is excellent for whitetail deer.
 
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I have a better answer to the 9.3 vs 9,3 question...

35 Whelen! stir
 
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My role in equalizing the cosmic balance of nature on the AR forums is so under appreciated.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mine is stamped just the same as the way I say it 9 point 3 by 62.
My Swede's are the same 6 point 5 by 55. My kids are saying it the same as me but I guess it is because I'm such a good influence on them!

I've never fallen for the comma where a period should be or a cross hatch on the 7's like some Euro's do, I'm American thru and thru and it may be screwed up but thats how we do it here in America!
 
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I call the 6.5x55 the "Swede".
 
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Is 9,3x62 pronounced 9comma2x62 or 9point2x62? How about .30,06? Confused Confused


I confess....I say "nine comma three by sixty two" which is odd since I say "six point five by fifty five"

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However, I think that the comma should be dropped and the "9.3" adopted.

The comma is a punctuation mark for written word. The decimal point is correctly used in a numerical quantity such as "6.5"


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However, I think that the comma should be dropped and the "9.3" adopted.

The comma is a punctuation mark for written word. The decimal point is correctly used in a numerical quantity such as "6.5"


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That certainly is valid for the US.

But here on the continent , where you find the origin of the 9,3 x 62 and the 6,5 x 55 we are used to the comma in a mathematical notation .

So use whatever you like .

Both are fine cartridges anyway .
 
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Now I have to go look up "merkin".

Look in your "Bubba" dictionary! dancing


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin


Well that was educational. lol


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Being that the comma and period are next to each other, it's probably a typo. lol I agree that a period should be used. Actually, I had a Sako L691 that read: 65x55. Guess they didn't want to use either. Couldn't have that so I sold it and found two AVs in 6.5x55 that were stamped correctly. Much happier now.FWIW, my AV in 9.3x62 is stamped correctly.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin


Well that was educational. lol

How does that thing stay on?? bewildered
Anyway, this is precisely the reason I do not shoot metric cartridges. The closest is my 7TCU.
Does anybody say thirty dash zero six?
Sure can't wait for deer season to start so we can get on to more serious business like; "Is the 577NE too much gun for blacktail?"


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin


Well that was educational. lol

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Just go hang out on the African Big Game Hunting forum...and you can see all the cultured sensitive merkins.

yuck

I kind of chuckle at how many folks from Texas/California/Anywhere Middle America use whilst instead of while, arse instead of ass, torch instead of flashlight etc when "talking Africa". I must really be common trash though, as I didn't know it wasn't supposed to be 9.3.
 
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Well when I look at a box of Norma or RWS, ammo, it is marked 9comma3x74R.

So that is usually how I write it.

I do "say" 9point3x74R...

So I gusss that makes me "totally point comma, confused...


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