I'm sure they are plenty of upstanding hunters who hunt with autoloaders, it just happens to be the case that I have never met one.

This deer season there were some "hunters" camping in our area hunting land adjacent to my own who thought it would be fun to run 5-rounds through their autoloader at midnight or so; not shining, just shooting. They did this each night...

And then, of course, they are those "hunters" I hear during actual hunting hours who shoot 5-shots so close together that they cannot possibly be hitting anything; there is not enough time to even adjust for recoil.

More still, are those excellent folks who manage to get a hold of a banana clip for their 7.62x39 and proceed to empty it at whatever moves.

Who are these good people?

(posted on big game hunting as well)

[ 12-01-2003, 02:12: Message edited by: 9.3x62 ]

9.3, you must like this question, saw it in a couple of forums, anyway, I shoot a Gr.III BAR in 30'06 and a Gr.IV BAR in .270. Both fine shooters and pretty to boot.

I'm just trying to figure out what a 'banana clip' is...

I know what a banana is, it's fruit - damn tasty I might add.

I know what a clip is, it's used to load magazines such as the STANAG or even the internal magazines found in the 1903 Springfield or M1 Garand...

But the two together? What the heck is such a creature?

My girlfriend just told me women use "banana clips" to hold their hair up.



Tim

(.3x62, I dont know. I awokin at dawn while I was camping at big willow creek where alot of hunters camp and make base camp, It sounded like some kind of military fire. Rapid fire , 5 rounds , again rapid fire 5 rounds, then a kaboom ,pow, kabom pow, kaboom ,pow . Like some one shooting a combo rifle slug shotgun/ rifle round. Then more rabid fire 5 rounds. I stumbled out of my camper and on the otherside of the creek and trees, up on the road on the hill above where I was camped , 3 people were standing there looking down the hill where we were all camped.
They were shooting at who knows what right in the direction of camp.
Frickin Idiots!!!
Another hunter came down the road in his truck and I asked him what the hell those morans are shooting at.
He looked at me with the expresion that those people were dangerous and said they were shooting right down at the camp area I should move, and he shook his head in disgust.
These Idiots then tried to drive down the side of the hill off the road in their old beat up suburban ,3 males and a woman. They then got their vehicle stuck and They looked and finally saw us and started to walk over to us campers as we were pulling our rigs out of there so they would not shoot us.
I watched a few seconds and this Idiot was aparently now going to ask us to help pull him out of the ditch they drove into.
I dont think so. We pulled out and headed away down the road far as we could get from those stupid , idiots.

[ 12-01-2003, 04:05: Message edited by: GSP7 ]

9.3, are you sure they were "hunters"?? Sounds to me as if they were some yo-yos out in the woods, pounding down beers and making fools out of themselves.

Where was this?? You don't list a State in which you live, nor where this happened. (???)

I've use a Rem. 742 in .308 W., off and on, for years. Haven't fired more than two rounds, at any one time at a deer/elk, so don't believe I've abused owning a semi-auto. I've had friends who had semi-autosin hunting camps, and they haven't acted badly, either.

I've seen jerks, abuse their hunting privileges and firearms Rights, with just about every type of firearms availible. Doesn't seem to me the firearm's action makes much difference. A jerk is a jerk.

FWIW. L.W.

I use a Browning BAR in 30-06 for deer hunting. It is not because I "have to". It is because I want to. I always wanted one and finally got it.

Sounds like some people here don't like certain types of actions -- rather than the types of people who pull the triggers. That seems to have a lot in common with the anti-gun types. Either you are for ALL types of guns or you are on the other side.

I still have 2 Rem 742 in 30-06 one Rifle and one carbine and Browning BAR. They do require special attention when reloading for, not tack drivers, but I have killed alot of game with them.

I have a Win Model 100 in .308, it has been a one shot one kill rifle for me.

I'm a standup kinda guy and I have looked in my safe. Yep, there they are, the demon spawn you speak of: 10/22, Browning .22 auto(Belgium), Win. Mod 50, Browning Sweet 16, Beretta 390. Problem is, except for the bird guns I hardly ever get a chance to shoot more than once. The rifles are 1/2" shooters at 50 yds., but I haven't "patterned" the Woodsman yet. I'll let you know how it does later on. Got a couple of pumps too, so I guess I'm really a sick SOB way down inside, huh?

Should they have "Camping/drinking/lyin' Preserves" located next to the Hunting kind for the sake of convenience?

I am not quite sure what BBBruce got from my post, but it looks like it was taken exactly opposite of the way I intended. I have seen too many people within the shooting community fail to defend other peoples guns -- usually starting with handguns, but autoloaders are next in line.

I remember talking to the President of our State Rifle & Pistol Assn. several years ago when Sarah Brady was flying into town regularly to get a bunch of bad bills passed. I asked when he or one of the other board members would be at the Legislatures hearing to speak against Sarah's proposed laws. Unfortunately, he said he wouldn't. And he would not authorized anyone else to speak for the club. He told me that if they outlawed all cheap handguns, he wouldn't care. He also said that if everyone shot target guns like him and his friends, the anti-gun people would leave us alone. He was wrong and so is anyone else who does not defend anyone elses gun -- even if you wouldn't own one yourself.

A hunter should be judged on his actions not on the action of his firearm.

Jeff

My whole family has used auto loaders for as for back as I can remember. I have a Rem Sportman 74 that I got a while back that is twenty years old next year. bought it for 250 from a guy. Had some work done to it and it will shoot under a inch at 100 yards. My stepdad has a old 742 that he bought back in 60 something and has who knows how many deer to its credit. My Mother also shoots a auto loader her's is a 308 and is one of the newer 7400's. All are good shooters. My sister is the only one who's first gun was a bolt. she has a rem 700 mountain rifle in 280. We have a joke in our family. We can't seem to hit anything on the first shot or if it is standing still. So the first shot gets it moving and the rest are to finish it off. I don't know how many times it has taken a full clip for my stepdad to stop a deer. LLB

I just picked up a Benelli R1 in 30-06 put a Zeiss Diavari 3 x 9 on it and it seems to shoot 168 grain balistic tips OK, I got one 1 3/4 inch group at 100, not as good as my Weatherby but it works where I hunt and has worked as advertized on Whitetail deer. I got it because it looked interesting and my hunting partner has hunted with a BAR 30-06 for as long as I care to remember. Funny thing, even with the autoloading, I only shoot one time, but it looks different and is a conversation starter, seems to work all the time etc. I believe there are many people who are real hunters that hunt with the Remington autoloaders or pumps, or Browning BAR's it is just what they want to hunt with or it is all they know. There are also those that will act in an irresponsible manner regardless of what type of weapon that they are using. We had a nice tree stand stolen this last week by someone of that ilk. I say turn them in whenever possible and stay away from them at all times.

No problem with self-loaders here......in 1984, I traipsed eastward to Mason County, Michigan to hunt whitetails. Being a westerner, my deer rifle was a Rem 700 in 308, since bolt rifles are the thing to use hereabouts in California.

In deer camp, almost everyone used Rem or Browning autoloaders, with a Winchester or Marlin lever in 30-30 thrown in for variety. Seeing the 700, one guy asked what caliber it was--"308", I said. "Oh", he said. He continued, saying "we have bolt rifles here, too--mostly in museums, though."

The scoped (Leupold 3x-9x) bolter was just short of useless in the dense woodlands we hunted. I switched to a revolver, and soon had my tag filled.

Moral of the story--when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I am glad to meet (if only electronically) auto-users who are not like those I have dealt with in person.

I am bit surprised how some are taking my original post so personally; surely any and all responsible auto-users (and hunters in general) would be just as annoyed (if not more so) than I at the (factual) flagrant use of autos I described.

I agree with the sterotypes of the autoloaders. I don't think you can say every one is this type of person, but there are a highpercentage of wierdos out there, there is nothing more that gets my panties in a wad than haveing some yeahoo sighting in his rifle or unloading his clip doing the rifle deer hunt, this sort of thing happens every year on every day of the hunt, as if the deer where not already spooked enough

OK, you got me. I did a bit of pattern plastering this weekend with my model 81 Woodsmaster and some cast bullets.. After only hitting the rock 2 out of 4 I decided to go back to aiming though..

My lifelong friends father only used 2 rifles that I ever saw. A 12 gage and an 06, both Remington autoloaders and he was a crack shot with both of them, never saw him use the second shot. I think the reason he liked them was the fact that he is a southpaw and they offered a simple and hands free alternative. He also used a Garrand in Korea so that may have gotten him comfortable with autos..

Happy shooting guys..

The scoped (Leupold 3x-9x) bolter was just short of useless in the dense woodlands we hunted. I switched to a revolver, and soon had my tag filled.

What? I've hunted Michigan for better than 30 years with shotgun, rifle, muzzleloader, handgun, and bow. I've taken bucks at under 10 yards in thick cover with a bolt gun and my scope on 3x with no problem.

Jeff

Skibum--

Just a matter of usage preferences, I imagine. I far prefer iron sights at ranges under 100 yards with a rifle, and scopes are kind of a specialized hunting tool to me for limited circumstances. As my eyes age, that may change--but most of my hunting has been done at closer ranges in dense cover, and iron sights just work better for me in those circumstances.

Certainly no problem with personal preference. Go with what works best for you. I prefer a low mounted, low power scope even for thick cover. I find it much easier to pick out holes in the brush to shoot through and I only have to worry about a single sighting plane.

Jeff

Don't judge all auto users by that bunch of dummy's. I've used them for forty years(all kinds) presently use a Bar 06 and my son a Bar .270 we generall get our deer with one shot and I'm wondering why I carry one but it is most useful when a buck is jumping through the timber. ALL of the serious deer huntersI know use them and pratically every hunter in the sate of Mo. tote them. There are slob users but it's not the rifles fault. I know some guys ,next to our lease that do the same thing with their bolts and handguns

I hunted deer/hogs with my AR-10 flattop last year. I am not into rapid fire on deer, although semi-auto kind of handy if a bunch of hogs show up.

Deer rifles:

I can't because I'm in Pennsylvania, and autos are prohibited for hunting here - so I use a single shot .458 instead currently, but have hunted with levers, pumps, bolts, whatever.

Autos are okay if you know how to handle them and don't try using them as an area weapon instead of making your first shot count.

There's my $0.02 on the subject!!!!

I, for the life of me, cannot understand why Pennsylvania has such a dumb fuck rule in their books.

Shit, Mass is more heavily populated, and you can load up your 1100 and let 'er rip at any deer you see.

Many states are as densly packed as PA, or more, and none have such a stupid regulation.

Actually, in south eastern PA Auto loading shotguns are legal for deer. But can not be used in the rest of the State where rifles are allowed. Jim

An HK 770 in 308 is great hog medicine. Follow up shot are quick. If I could ever find running hogs in my scope, I'd like to try one.