I am looking for a low velocity practice round, about 1400 fps or so. Thanks.

I used red dot, from 6 grains to 10 grains, for 1000 to about 1500 fps for some 95 grain plinker loads, using Makarov .365 or .366 pistol bullets.

I would consult the old Ideal manual, as it has a good variety of lite loads using some powders still around.

There is no recoil with the loads I used, but the trajectory was like a rainbow.

I recieved a reply from Phil Hodgdon about light loads. That 1/2 case capacity of H4895 is nice accurate light load. In a double check e-mail he told me that 50% case capacity as long as that is not "over the maximum load" is safe. I am getting some H4895 ASAP and am looking forward to trying it in these calibers, 300WSM, 45-70, 270Win,223Rem.

Aha!! 500, you rascal, the truth floats to the top, you have finally pounded yourself to death with the big bores and now your wimping out on us....sure as the world.

I use a 235gr cast fbfp over 12 gr red dot,shoots as well as I can hold out to around 75 yards and gives 5-6" penetration in blocks of hard wood I use for testing that kind of stuff.I have gone as low as 6gr of same with ok results.

Have you guys had any pressure problems using the pistol powders?

Ray, you nailed me!

not really a problem, but the red dot does not oomph to seal the cases, and the outside of the neck and case turn sooty.

The biggest problem is that they are so much funto shot, they go very quickly. we use them to shoot at rolling motorcycle tires with cardboard targets inside, for moving practice. It is real easy and fast to end up shooting a couple of dozen shots each.

No recoil, little nooise, and low cost.

It breeds good offhandlilng skills at something much less than the buck a shot that may cost for the full monty with hunting bullets.