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Do folks here find using the forward mounted cope difficult? Was it a hard adjustment? Can you switch back and forth with ease? What about a 4x scout scope? most I see are 2.5x-2.7x Looking for other people's experiences. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Mike, I have four scope forward ( scout if you will ) rifles. 2 have 1 1/2 power and 2 have 2 power scopes. These were made as I can not adequately use open sights any longer.I have found that they are as easy as pointing a shot gun.You can pick up your target fast. With the lower power scopes as I have and both eyes open your field of vision is great. Never had any problem that I recognize switching back to conventionally mounted scopes. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I have a Swed in a plastic stock with a 2-6 Bushnell . It's not hard to get used to. FOV is less. that's all. | |||
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Richj, That's a cool looking rifle. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike: Easy to learn to use, but a bit lacking IMHO in the field. The problem is not that they don't work as designed. But instead, at dawn and dusk, depending on the position of the shooter to the rising or setting sun, they are almost impossible to use due to glare on the ocular lens. | |||
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Interesting because on a regular scope...the shooter's head acts as a shade for the ocular lens. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, My only experience with EER scopes has been on a pistol. Worked great. I do have an old M98 that I was thinking of setting up that way. It's a WWII relic and you don't have to alter the safety or the bolt with an EER scope. Russ Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I had a 9,3x62 barrel mounted on a WW II K98 action + Leupold 2x EER scope. I used it for a season drive hunting wild boars. It worked well on fast running shots < 50 m, though not better than a conventionally mounted "battue scope", the latter remaining superior for longer range shots. André DRSS --------- 3 shots do not make a group, they show a point of aim or impact. 5 shots are a group. | |||
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I have two a 7x57 and a 06 both have 2x leupolds on them easy to use. Fast in the brush wouldn't feel bad about taking a 200 yard plus shot with them. I use the 06 with 220s for hogs does a very good job. The reason I went with a scout set up is it was very cheap to scope a couple of bubba sporters I picked up. | |||
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i tried but no success - just to much habit involved i guess - have the same trouble with using a red dot sight on a pistol | |||
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I have shot tons of game with a scout rifle. They are deadly and they don't limit range as much as some would think. They do have limitations however as Dave mentioned above. In addition there are times when a 2 or 2.5 power scope simply does not give you enough magnification to be useful in the field. As an example I was hunting mule deer here in CO with a scout rifle several years ago. I spotted a group of bucks in some thick brush under some trees so they were heavily shaded and about 250 yards away. With my 8 power binos I could clearly make out a very nice buck mingling amongst several lesser bucks. Through the scout scope there was no way to identify him clearly it just didn't have enough magnification. I missed an opportunity on a great buck that day which I could have easily killed had I had a conventional scope with about 6 power magnification or so. Now on the other hand I've made some spectacular snap shots on game with a scout rifle that would be darn near impossible with a conventional scope. I missed a HUGE whitetail last year that materialized out of a shallow depression in the ground that didn't look like it could hide a rattle snake on first impression. This bad boy of a buck bolted out of that hidey hole in full after burner at about 80 yards and cleared the remaining 100 yards to cover at transonic speed and accelerating. I am pretty sure I saw vapor trails forming on his antler tips just before he disappeared from my life forever. I's been on hill over looking a big chunk of country and was carrying a rifle set up for long range shooting which I'd been expecting in that area. The scope was a 3X10 and had a fine target style reticule, I just couldn't make it happen in that situation with that set up. If I'd have had a scout in my hands that old buck would have been in severe mortal danger. It's a game of give and take I guess. But the best all around solution I've found is using a very low mounted conventional scope with a low power setting on the bottom end. Leave the scope set on the lowest power while walking around and you'll have time to turn it up if you need more magnification. You'll never have time to turn the magnification down if you need to make a snap shot in a big hurry. | |||
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i have a scout built on a Tikka T3 .308 with a Luepold 2x scout scope. It is very fast and has decent magnification for close to medium range depending on the circumstances/lighting. | |||
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Mike, the only thing I can really add to all this is that I have a 2x scope on a revolver and just didn't like it. Instead of the scope I've found a red-dot to be far more effective. Fact is I can ring the 300 yard gong (12x12") with my AR 15 9 out of 10 times from the bench with a simple 3moa red dot. The whole red-dot phenomena makes me question the value of any 2x scope. I just don't see it. A dot is easier, works at night, and is superb overall. Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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I never saw an IER or EER scope or a scout-mounted scope until about 1983. I tried several on rifles, and a half-dozen Contender pistols. Except for a couple of 5-X Burris IER scopes and two or three Burris 7-X IERs on Contenders, I found them very clumsy for my uses and either replaced them all with "normal" scopes on my rifles or went to using iron sights (on my other pistols). That may be partly because my eyes were already 50 years old by then, or because I had spent my whole life up 'til then shooting scopes with no more than 4" eye relief. Either way, except for my Contenders which are used with bipods for medium range shooting of animals from the rimrocks (me sitting on the rimrocks, the animals down below and maybe 100-200 yards away, completely oblivious of me until I fire), I have otherwise never gotten used to "scout-type eye relief or mounting positions. Wish I could have, but it just didn't work out for me. Just like rNovi, though, I really like red-dot sights. | |||
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Mike Scout Scopes do not work for me as I shoot right handed and I am left eye dominate. But I do have a Scout Scope set up on a Tanker Garand. I must close my left eye to see through the scope, so I do not get all the advantages of both eyes open shooting, still I fine the Scout Scope superior for hunting, even with my left eye closed. I think you will be happier with a Scout Scope not over 2.75x. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alberta Canuck: I never saw an IER or EER scope or a scout-mounted scope until about 1983. Not even pictures of WWII German Mod. 98 sniper rifles?? roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Roger - I wasn't talking about pictures, but about real, physical optics that I could look closely at and try out. | |||
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