I have a 338 RUM. I like it and have plenty of ammo. However, I wonder if Remington will stop making 338 RUM rifles and ammo down the road. Does anyone know how if sales are enough to warrant Remington's support the 300 RUM and 338 RUM?

I have a standard chambering 338 RUM as well as the 338-300RUM Improved.......they are fantastic rounds.

My understanding is that Nosler uses the round for all their bullet testing in 338, as they regard it so highly for it's "inherent" accuracy.

I also own a 300 RUM in a 1:10 twist and a Varmint contour barrel in 1:12, both made by Robert Tobler. They are .3065 bore size, double stress relieved and superbly accurate. I believe for African PG, you cannot beat the 300 RUM when shooting 168 grains or up.

I ALSO have a 7mmRUM and it shoots 160 TSX's into tiny groups, it is yet to make it to Africa.

The point to the RUM design is, that it is the maximum case capacity one can use in a standard, ie: Rem 700 type action, without going to an expensive custom action or a big Weatherby ..........

I just recently got back from Africa. I used my 300 Rem Ultra Magg for killing a Zerba,
Warthog, Links Cat, and a Gemsbok. I used Nosler Partition 200gr bullets at over 3000 FPS
to kill all that I shot. The Zerba was a 280 YD Shot Those Nosler bullets are great bullets.

I also own the 338 RUM. I use it for bear.

jro45,

It's hard to beat the 200 Partition for an all around bullet in the 300magnums

I have a 300 RUM. I think the caliber will be around a long time because it fills a niche--large case, straight wall, and no goofy freebore in a 30 cal magnum.

None of it would matter if it didn't shoot well, but it does.

The 338 RUM may have more problems, IMHO, since it is a much smaller market that wants that much power and is willing to accept that level of recoil. I've noticed it is hard to find brass for that at the moment....

I personally think the rounds are better than the WSM series, but just have a smaller appeal.

Dan

I think that the 7mmRUM is too overbore (much like the 30-378 Weatherby) The 7mm STW does everything that it does with greater efficiency.

The 300RUM fills a niche that is more powerful than the 300 Weatherby but more efficient than the 30-378.

The .338RUM is the best of the bunch IMO. It is a truly powerful rifle that IMO is capable of taking anything that the .375 H&H is capable of.


The RUM series of cartridges are the poor mans Weatherby. (although you do not have to be poor to enjoy them)

I also think the 338 RUM is king of the hill. It offers much without being ridiculously large, and it offers it in an affordable, non-custom factory package -why Remington's Sendero went away is any body's guess...

quote:

Originally posted by buckshot:
-why Remington's Sendero went away is any body's guess...

Remington have a nasty habit of not supporting their products. I personally think the 300RUM is safe ... but why Remington is marketing 3 levels of ammunition is bizarre. The 300RUM is meant to shoot fast and hard, I see no point in hamstringing it.
Cheers...
Con

quote:

Originally posted by Rx7dryver:
I think that the 7mmRUM is too overbore (much like the 30-378 Weatherby) The 7mm STW does everything that it does with greater efficiency.

The 300RUM fills a niche that is more powerful than the 300 Weatherby but more efficient than the 30-378.

The .338RUM is the best of the bunch IMO. It is a truly powerful rifle that IMO is capable of taking anything that the .375 H&H is capable of.


The RUM series of cartridges are the poor mans Weatherby. (although you do not have to be poor to enjoy them)

That's true to a certain extent with the 7mmSTW; but the 7mmRUM beats it out by at least a 150fps! It's worthwhile IMHO with the 160 and 175 grain weights.

I love the STW.......took it on my first hunt in the RSA...........killed a 41" gemsbok cow at 385 yards

WJM:

Remington's .300 Ultra Mag. has been the best seller of their Ultra Mag. cartridges. We Americans love our 30 calibers.

The 7mm Ultra Mag. has not been a good seller for them. From what I understand, the .338 Ultra Mag. has not been a really hot ticket either. Here is the USA, sales of guns over 30 caliber are really pretty limited.

I think the .300 Ultra Mag. is here to stay. I would expect that the 7mm and .338 will someday only be available from the custom shop much like the 8mm Mag. is today. If I had a .338 Ultra Mag., I think I would pop for 250 rounds of brass and never give it another thought. it's an excellent cartridge.

Dave

I don't see much future for either of them, they will come to pass in time, too much blast and recoil for most.

They were the last word by Remington for a problem that never existed...

I thinbk the Rum cartridges were good ideas but too much for the general public.Myself I like the 338-378 Weatherby alot more.I felt the 338 Ultra mag was too close to the 338 win mag.I do think the 338 ultra mags in the sendero were awesome.I never got to buy one.My word is buy up brass for your 338 ultra mag and reload.The brass is getting more expensive by the day it seems.

I think the .300 RUM will be around for a long time. I actually went out and got one and it is just amazing the long range capabilities of this cartridge.

Brass is extremely high for the RUMS though, I found 50pc of new RP for $33 locally, online it is going for $37+ shipping.

I think if I have to buy more I will go with Nosler Custom

Their future might be bleak if only Remington chambers rifles in these 2 calibers.

Can't help but wonder if the fact that Remington is now offering the 300 Ultra ammo in three different power levels is an indication that sales are sluggish and this is their way of trying to appeal to people who normally wouldn't consider an Ultra Mag.

I think the Ultra Mags are great and dearly love my 338, but I wouldn't be surprised if in 5-10yrs. the 300 is the only one commercially available.

One thing to consider on this topic is what Remington's original expectations were. Regarding the Ultra Mags, based on conversations with a few of the folks at Remington, the Ultra mags, especially the 300, have exceeded their sales expectations, while the SAUMs have not.

While the company would certainly rejoice in record sales of these calibers, they did their research and sales are "right where we expected."

I can see the 300 RUM outlasting the 338 or 7mm, simply due to the popularity of the 30 cals. I own a 300 RUM and it is one of my favorite calibers.

When I was in Colorado, I was surprised to see the number of 300 RUMs at the range before the deer season. There were about 14 tables and since I had to wait to shoot, I went up and down, (being nosy but conversational). There were at least 8 300 RUMs not including mine.

The rest were 270s and 30.06s and 1 7mm mag.

Decent rounds. Too much for the average hunter, where the respective Winchester Magnums are a lot more tolerable. I think the market will support them for a while simply due to the number of rifles already out there and the popularity of the case - plenty of wildcatting opportunities. I'd love a .300 RUM for big game if I didn't already own a viciously accurate Weatherby.

quote:

Originally posted by onefunzr2:
Their future might be bleak if only Remington chambers rifles in these 2 calibers.

This may be the case for alot of the rem ultra mags short and long. Sales will determine the future.

I think they've both been gut shot. They are just waiting to die as an available factory load.

Of the two the 338RUM is the only one that holds any interest for me.

The 7MM RUM is a waste of powder.

One of my favorite rifles is my .375 Rum. I've taken it to Africa twice, shooting everything (a figure of speech) from Steenbok to Eland and Buffalo with it. Most were one shot kills, out to 348 yds.

Lately I have the itch to buy a .300 Rum. Problem is I also have a 7mm RM and a .30 Gibbs. All three of my rifles shoot MOA or better, and they all have accounted for a long list of animals. Since I don't see an Elephant or Rhino in my future, there isn't a animal on this planet that my current battery won't handle. Here is where the practical side of me can't justify the cost of a .300 Rum for the additional 2-300 fps over my current rifles and just because I think its cool.

I think alot of the problem with sucess of the ultra mags is the lack of marketing by Remington. Just watch the outdoor channels. There are alot of advertisements for T/C's and for the .375 Ruger, but none for the Remington Ultra Mags.

The other big problem of the Ultra mags is the recoil. Cases that burn 90+ grains of powder produce heavy recoil. A 7 1/2 pound rifle does little to absorb that heavy recoil. Porting, muzzle brakes, mercury or mechanical recoil reducers, and the weight of the rifle help to tame the recoil. None of these are found on the standard Ultra Mag rifles from Remington. The Ultra mags may give an additional 200-300 fps over the "standard" magnums, but to the average US hunter, that additional velocity isn't worth the increased recoil.

And, I did buy 200 cases for my .375 RUM.

I'm going to start reloading for my .300 RUM. The recoil is substantial, more than my .375H&H, but I like the long range capability. I had it bedded, floated and a Timney trigger installed and it's quite accurate with everything but the original Sirocco 180's. About 1 1/2 with those, but the 150's shoot MOA or less and the 180 Trophy Bonded does very well. But at around 63 bucks a box, it's getting ridiculous to pay those prices for factory rounds.

The 300 RUM isn't going away!

The fact it is far and away more popular than the 7mm or 338 RUM isn't suprising.
Considering that Weatherby sells 10 300's for every 1 340 or 7mm.

they better not be going away.....I just bought a 300!!
It's a used Sendero SF. Has a few rounds through it, but that's ok, it'll be rebarreled to 338RUM or Edge, not sure which yet.
The former owner could put 10 rds in a 8" group at 1200 yds!
Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but soon!

LeRoy

Buy brass. Then, who cares if it goes away? You will be set.