2850 fps out of a 30/06 not only has not blown up a rifle yet, in my hands, it also has had the same piece of brass loaded 10 times with that load. So either there is no high pressure there to be worried about....... or I just buy strong brass.



Just beyond me why guys question the intelligence of someone who gets better results than they do, and then just justify it by saying they might be dangerous.





Ski,



I modified this response. I have followed some of your other posts, and respect your opinion. Yeah, i test limits, but I also load a piece of brass ( actually about 5 to 7 or them) 10 times before I feel comfortable posting a load on line. If I still have primers going in with good resistance and not showing signs of weakness along the way, I feel that the load is safe.

Brass is unbiased. It only yields the information of unsafe pressures when it is.



We all make choices. I share my results, and know people should know enough to work up. And both of us know 100 fps with a 250 grain bullet is not going to make or break the hunt in the real world. So why the argument?



Keep your loads at where they are at, and I will keep mine at where mine are. I do find in manuals that what I found on my own are verified in two reload manuals, the Hornady number 5 verifies 2600 fps with 59.5 grains of H380, no other powder listed for the load is posted higher, the rest at 2500 fps: and the Nosler # 5 verifies that H 380 was the most accurate in their testing.



cheers and good shooting







seafire

Roger,

I actually did do some blue dot loadings with a 200 grain bullet to duplicate close to the old 33 Winchester performance, in a bolt action. Think I posted it. Not a lot of guys really shoot the 338/06. I did test Blue Dot in the 338 Mag, with 200 grain and 225 grain bullets.

cheers
seafire

My 26" 338-06 registers about what your's does Brad. I know my barrel is a little slow.

DD, tried both, H 380 won the results.

Rifle has a standard Winchester Model 70 barrel length of 24 inches.

cheers and good shooting
seafire

So Brad and Sam:

Have you tried the H 380 load or are you indicating that your velocities were obtained with other loads??

If so, you probably are getting slower speeds, if using other powders and loads, that what I also found.

This barrel was done by one of the last gentlemen alive that worked under Parker Ackley. I don't know if he applied a few secrets, but he is well into this 80s. He normally does work for the Stars, Like Hank Williams Jr, and Tom Selleck.
His name is Bob West out of Eugene Oregon.

So if you try the H 380 load as indicated and you are still not getting those velocities then you have something to report.
But as indicated, I went with H 380 because it gave the highest velocity and also had the best accuracy. You don't see it posted much in load info. Not sure why, but pressures seem fine in my rifle.

If you test it, then I am sure all of us will be interested in what you find.


People were posting that I was full of bean posting 2850 fps with a 200 grain bullet in a 30/06 also. But try 61 to 63 grains of H 4831SC in a 30/06 and see what velocity results you get with it. A few people said it was BS until they tried it, and then had the courtesy to come back on line and admit they got the same results. I have tested it up to 66 grains of H 4831 SC with no pressure problems indicated.

That is why some of us work up loads and don't hold load data as gospel. I have had some pressure problems with some loads at much lower than listed in some books and then no problems exceeding those levels in other loads.
That in the same rifle.

I thought experimenting was one of the reasons to handload.

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

Yeah,PDS:

I actually went back out and re chronyed some loads with the H 380 and still getting, 2650 plus with a 250 grain Hornady RN.

Maybe I am luckier than I think I am. However the Hornady Manual Number 5 indicates that with 60 grains of H 380, One should expect 2600 fps and that is what I get out of mine consistently. So I don't think the chrony is off its rocker at all.

Other loads seem to indicate what the book says.
However a load that was listed for my 6.5 x 55 with a 140 grain bullet, with 2 grains below max with IMR 4895 popped 3 primers in a row. That is the first load that rifle ever took below what was recommended as max in the manual.

That is exactly why I test each one of my own rifles and work up my own loads to determine what is best for THAT rifle.

Cheers and Good shooting
seafire

Sea fire great vel with your 338 -06 Mine with a 27 in barrel well never come that close. I have hard a time pushing 2450 with several differant powders and 250gr bullets. H380 and imr 4831 4060 4350 and a couple of surplus ones. They all show over pressure signs in mine when I get up over the 2450 mark.

MY 338-06 is useful and fun to play with and would make a great rifle for many things even at 2450. But is not capeable of the Vel. You are getting out of yours.

Have fun with it.

Ski,

No problem on the bad day. Don't we all have them.

Hope you have a successful hunting season there guy!

Cheers & good shooting
seafire

I have not tried Seafires 30-06 load but if you can get that much SC in the case it ought to work, I don't think you can get enough 4831 in a case to damage a rifle...Lord knows I have tryed, but not with SC.

I'll start low and work up and see where it goes.

Thank you all for your candid input. I will certainly take your advice to heart. I'll be paying more attention to accuracy next time I get a chance at the range. That's right on the first shot is the most important and I've only needed one on the Blacktails I've taken. Just wanted a string of rounds to get a reading on velocity. It's a new Chrony...I didn't mention that the rifle has a Shilen barrel that was rechambered to the .338-06. I agree that it should shoot a bit better, more than likely shooter at fault..not the gun. It is for hunting only. I'll try some of those other powders and see what happens, do have some 4320.

Thanks again,

John