30'06s should be in stores by the end of the month according to my sources, with a little bit of wait for the 270s. 24" barrels on both the 270 and 06.

I figured this thread would have headed on toward how stupid this kid is rather than repeating what we already know as fact, that the 30-06 will never go away. Every year there is the article in some magazine raising the same question and then going on to saying how wonderful it is and ending with an ad on the opposing page for a new .xxx srsm (super ridiculously short magnum) cartridge and the new laminated kevlar stock with the titanium bedding block that isn't even on the companies website yet.

So I'll relate my story of the stupid kid. I went to our local outdoor store the other day to check on some reloading supplies (I had been to this store 3 times in the last 3 years and never once have been waited on but that's another story. I'll leave it at, after speaking to the manager he assured me if no one waited on me the next time to let him know and he would fire someone on the spot. That was a year ago so I thought I'd try one last time). To my surprise I did get waited on and was told they don't carry reloading supplies. Ok, no big deal. I can go somewhere else for that. Hey, let me see that Savage 22. Ok, let's see, $289 list on sale for $269. Seems like they sell this model at Wal-mart for about half of that but ok. It's not my store. Maybe they mark them way up like used cars so you think you get a good deal. Hey, is that a Vaquero? 45? How much is it? Here is the conversation that followed for a SS Vaquero in 45 colt and a black buscadero single holster rig that surely would not fit my fat butt and I don't use black anyway but I could always turn it for maybe $100 on a good day.....

"$835"
"835? Eight hundred?"
"Yeah, I know it's a litte high but they don't make that polished model anymore"
"they don't? Eight hundred and 35?"
"well it comes with the holster"
"ha, ha, ha (this is me if you've lost your place) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah"

the next sound was my truck door closing and the key turning in the ignition. I don't think I left more than 3 or 4 feet of skid marks in their parking lot.

I pass old model ss vaqueros every day for $400. Maybe someone needs to tell ruger they aren't making them anymore. I also happened to look up that savage mark II 22 I liked. It lists for $5 less than they had it marked down to.

Kids seem to mimic what they hear until they are mature enough to form their own opions or to have their own experiences to call upon (Maybe that explains a mother-in-law that voted for Clinton, Gore, Kerry......maturity apparently has no cutoof age). If you hang out with idiots you learn from idiots. Some will never live long enough to mature.

I dont know how you didn't burst into hysterical laughter... That kid is clueless indeed. That's like saying the .22 rimfire is dead... LOL

old cane....i'll jump in with a "how stupid this kid is story". except this guy at wally world was about 60 years old. age doesn't seem to matter to walmart...they will hire stupid people of any age as long as they will work for $6 per hour. anyway, back to the story. i've told this before on the forums so for some guys here this may be a repeat. i was in the sporting goods department passing the time while my wife was trying to make up her mind about what she wanted to buy. a guy was trying to buy a deer rifle and asked the 60 year old stupid kid what the difference was between a 270 and a 30-06. the 60 year old stupid kid informed his customer, with a great air of authority and gun savvy knowledge, that the 30-06 was for shooting round nosed bullets and the 270 was for shooting the pointy kind. i'm not kidding. i was so disgusted that i had to go to the womens undergarmet section to regain my normally cheerful dispostion.

Ha. You're right. Stupidity is not owned by any age group. I used to have a couple of music stores and gave guitar lessons. Mother says she wants the kid to play a 12-string but he should start on bass because it's easier, only has 4 strings. I asked why not a trumpet, only 3 valves....wait! a trombone, only 1 slide. Well, gee, for some reason I didn't get the kid as a student. She may have been an idiot but at least she could smell the sarcasm.

If the gun companies and marketing departments have their way. The 30-06 will be dead, along with every other standard cartridge. To be replaced by a new cartridges every year along with all the rifles and associated accessories that go with them.

I personally don't own a 30-06, but I am not going to knock that the old cartridge. It is boringly effective. If I could only own one big game rifle, it would be the 30-06 plain and simple.

Sometime in the late 1960s, maybe early 1970s Noted "egg-spurt" Jon Sundra wrote an article on thoe the 30-06 is a has been and evreybody should replace it with something in 7MM.
That article literally turned me off to anything else he ever wrote. I read somewhere where he is now supposed to be the dean of gun writers. JMHO, but if that is the case, no wonder the gun rags have turned to garbage.
Now dumb kids working for peanuts I can understand them not knowing better, but a gun writer? Gimme a break!
Paul B.

This is the perfect topic for the trashy gun mags.

The ONLY thing that comes to my mind is:

"The ignorant little shit!"

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
The ONLY thing that comes to my mind is:

"The ignorant little shit!"

Ray. Why don't you say how you really feel?
Paul B.

All the new short magnums and ultra large magnums were introduced to shake up the market a little bit and to sell new rifles. At the end of the day when the dust settles, it will be the standard cartridges that will bring home the bacon for these companies.

As for the .30-06, even after a hundred years of being in service and giving life to numerous children based on its case; the old girl is still the top performer in the field.

I've had the fever for a new (different) gun for a couple of months....just won't go away even after taking antibiotics for the fever

I just happen to be looking hard at a 1950 M70 in 30 'govt 06. Just wondering if it'll still kill after all these years.

I DONE IT! Now what to shoot out of it? 165, 168 or 180 grain bullets? Mostly deer for now but with the intent of mule deer/elk in the near future.

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Originally posted by MLG:
Just had look that Kimber America site again and from what I can see one cannot purchase a Kimber 8400 or 84m in a 3006 or 270 Win!!!

why compete with the big boys when you are a smaller company?

the old 06 will be selling when the market gets saturated with the WSMs etc....

how many guys buy something trendy, only to go back to something that has been around forever at a later point....

heck if we are rapping on the 30/06 loosing ground to the WSMs etc, why are they still selling so many darn 30/30s still each year?????
that is even a more untrendy cartridge.....

I don't hunt with an 06 much at all.. I have too many other calibers that are fun to play with and are more efficient... however, if I was down to one rifle for all big game hunting, you know it would be the 30/06....

heck, I will NEVER be without a Model 70 in 30/06 and a 30/30 by Marlin or Winchester... regardless of how much I hunt with them each year...

I am sure a big percentage of us on this forum feel the same way!

cheers
seafire

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Originally posted by Paul B:
Sometime in the late 1960s, maybe early 1970s Noted "egg-spurt" Jon Sundra wrote an article on thoe the 30-06 is a has been and evreybody should replace it with something in 7MM.
That article literally turned me off to anything else he ever wrote. I read somewhere where he is now supposed to be the dean of gun writers. JMHO, but if that is the case, no wonder the gun rags have turned to garbage.
Now dumb kids working for peanuts I can understand them not knowing better, but a gun writer? Gimme a break!
Paul B.

Paul;

some one can be considered the DEAN of about anything when he has been AROUND LONGER THAN ABOUT ANYONE ELSE... but it still doesn't have anything to do with knowledge necessarily...

those guys all write to justify what they are TOLD to justify....its all a matter of marketing...

The Big Companies pay the Advertising FEES....
The Magazine company pays the writer to say whatever the big companies want said...
We buy the mag because it is an escape from the daily grind to get out and do the hunting in our minds we wish to do...

I haven't bought a gun rag in years....

I used to get Guns and Ammo, Shooting Times, Rifleshooter, and Outdoor Life. Only thing I still get is American Rifleman 'cause I've been a life member of NRA since the early 70's. As Seafire implied...the writers are all whores for the big gun manufacturers....and we don't ever get kissed!!!

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
why are they still selling so many darn 30/30s still each year?????

The nubi hunters that buy them have watched a whole lot of John Wayne movies?? Environmental impact??? OK I give up. WHY?????? roger

The 30-06 ain't gonna die****** not as long as this thread goes on. roger

Dead? Thats a new one. While I have not hunted a whole lot with one, I still have two in my safe. While I will buy a DVD in Wal-Mart, I will go to a proper gun shop for my rifles ammo bullets reloading components and what have you. While I have not real problem with Wal-Mart, its a great 5 and 10 store, I treat it as such. Now I just got the New Family Guy DVD its a riot. Adults only.

I've enjoyed reading the replies to my post...pretty much what I expected. And I see I'm not the only one that has been turned off by the gun writers. I used to read 'em all until a few yrs ago. Col. (or is it Gen.?) Boddington was doing his usual column on elk rifles. When he mentioned the '06, he wrote that it was "marginal for elk, but on the right side of marginal". Huh? When those guys do a review of a particular gun, do they receive the gun as a gift from the company? Always been curious.

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Boddington was doing his usual column on elk rifles. When he mentioned the '06, he wrote that it was "marginal for elk,

And you just reminded me why I no longer take any outdoor rags.....actually haven't for many years.
The same old shit.

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Originally posted by Dan G:
I've enjoyed reading the replies to my post...pretty much what I expected. And I see I'm not the only one that has been turned off by the gun writers. I used to read 'em all until a few yrs ago. Col. (or is it Gen.?) Boddington was doing his usual column on elk rifles. When he mentioned the '06, he wrote that it was "marginal for elk, but on the right side of marginal". Huh? When those guys do a review of a particular gun, do they receive the gun as a gift from the company? Always been curious.

Well, in a way Boddington was right, 90 some odd years ago. At that time, the 30-40 Krag was considered a better cartridge for elk than the 30-06. Seems like the 220 gr. bullets of the 30-40 held together better than the same bullets used in the 30-06. They couldn't hold up at the higher velocity. When bullets were improved, the 06 out did the 30-40 with no problems at all.
The 30-06 marginal for elk? I wonder if all the elk taken with a 30-06 over the years would agree with Col. Boddington.
Paul B.

I've just gotten back into a 30/06 after a near 13 year absence from my gunsafe. Sold the first as a 20ish year old to enter the magnum and bigbore fraternity, then bought my second as a 33 year old tired of reloading and tinkering, and wanting a good range of factory ammunition.
The 180gr Core-Lokt factory ammunition through my cheap Vanguard shot into 1.5MOA as did the PMC 180gr. A reload with a Woodleigh 180gr did just over MOA, with absolutely no tinkering of the load. Seems the 30/06 is just as I remember it ... dead boring. Considered rechambering to 300H&H just to have something to do but have recognised the impatience of youth as my reasoning. My 30/06 is now here to stay.
Cheers...
Con

Boddington is a big reason I don't subscribe anymore or watch his TV show...objective writing is hard to find anymore....ANYWHERE!!

This thread just made up my mind for me! I have a Mauser 98 I need to re barrel and I’m gonna put an 06 tube on it. I’ve been without one for a couple of years and It’s about time I showed a little respect.

I only read the gun rags at the barber shop when somebody else beats me to the auto trader.

If it's dead why do I have 8 of them? Obviously I don't "need " them all.The best of the lot is a first year Remington 700 BDL I bought used for $169 used-because it wasn't in demand. It went to Africa on my first trip and served me well.
I'm remineded of a friend who said he once owned a Smith and Wesson Model 52. "It was the most boring pistol I ever owned and the most humbling. I sold it after a week because I just couldn't stand the accuracy".

Paul B, there is another reason the Krag was thought a better elk rifle than the Springfield. When the two rifles were in common use most elk hunters out West were looking for meat and they did not have a heck of a lot of disposable income. An awful lot of full jacket military ammo was purchased cheap. If you filed off the tip of a Krag 220 grain, you had a better elk bullet than when you did the same thing with an '06 150 grain.

I have shot a ton of game with the 30-06 but have not used it in years, got bored with it, it just killed every damn thing I shot with it including big bear and cape buffalo...

Today I use a 300 H&H, 338, 308, 7x57, 404, 416, 10.75x68, .470, 30-30, 25-35, 350 Savage, 6x45 and a few others, the old 06 just sits in my gun cabinet...

Which is the last one I would sell, which one if given a choice of one caliber would I hunt the world with, if I had to trek across Africa with one gun and all the bullets I could carry on foot what caliber would it be....

The Springfield 30-06 loaded with 200 gr. Noslers at 2600 FPS....

No it ain't dead, everyone in Idaho and Texas has at least one, least they would be tarred and feathered and gilflurted for good measure ...

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
Paul B, there is another reason the Krag was thought a better elk rifle than the Springfield. When the two rifles were in common use most elk hunters out West were looking for meat and they did not have a heck of a lot of disposable income. An awful lot of full jacket military ammo was purchased cheap. If you filed off the tip of a Krag 220 grain, you had a better elk bullet than when you did the same thing with an '06 150 grain.

I think you missed one of my points. I said both cartridges were using 220 gr. bullets, but that the bullets of the day could not hold together at the 30-06's velocity. I was comparing with both bullets being soft nosed at 220 gr., not doctored up military bullets. I've been trying to locate the article where the original comment was made. Seems like it might have been John Wooters who made the comment, but the old memory banks just ain't what they used to be..
Paul B.

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Ray Atkinson:
No it ain't dead, everyone in Idaho and Texas has at least one, least they would be tarred and feathered and gilflurted for good measur

And everyone in Nebraska has at least two.

You guys get it together there ya hear!!!!

Vapodog. Only two?
Paul B.

I had the clerk in the Dakotamart in Pierre, SD tell me the same thing, the .30/06 was dead. I just looked at him and said, "Not where I come from". You can't walk in the woods around here without slipping on all the '06 cases left on the ground.

The Good Lady wife had to go into town yesterday for a luncheon meeting. Since it was our silver wedding aniversary I went along in order that we could do a little shopping afterwards.
Whilst the Good Lady was at her meeting off I trotted to one of the sports stores. The owner was busy with a customer, another guy walked passed me and then behind the counter. He ignored me. A few minuets later he enquired,
How are you?
Fine, said I and asked how he was. No reply.
He turned around put something on a shelf tuned back and asked,
How are you?
He did not get a second response.
I asked general question about some of the deer rifles on the shelves and within a minuet he was telling me what I should buy and which were the better guns. He did not tell me any thing I didn't all ready know, but his pomposity was overpowering. He did not know much about guns but he tried to sell me what was one of the most expensive guns on the rack, 'Cus it was the best.
I happen to know that it is one that it's been on the shelf for over two years.
I asked which species of deer it was best suited for?
He told me they were great for blowing up 20 gallon steel drums filled with water.
I just grunted turned and walked out.

It was Champagne and oysters for dinner we had a wonderfull afternoon/evening.

The Good Lady has a new ring, me, well, I didn't buy the 458 Winchester 20 gallon/deer rifle. Nor will I.

With all the new bullets and powder coming out the 30/06 has the killing power for all the game it was used for when there were no magnums short or super.

From 125'ers at 3300 blowing up varmits to 200 gr X bullets at 2700 taking anything that it is legal to take with a 30 cal.

It is tooo deeply engrained into the American Gun Culture to ever go away. 100 plus and going strong.

This is a classic hunting round like the .375 H&H and I don't think it will ever disappear. These new short mags are a little like fashion, it changes rapidly, but classics are never out of style. Just to prove my point, last week I bought a brand new M70 Featherweight in 30-06 to go with my M70 in .375 H&H. Regards....Sean

Does anyone here remember a guy who used to post here by the name of "Morty"? This post just reminded me of him.

The 06 should be reinstated as our official military cartridge. Sure it's heavier, but man, can you ever shoot across a desert with it!!

Now I must go into the basement and reload all my dead 06 cartridges!!

I just bought a Vanguard for my 15 year old..left the decision as to what chambering he wanted. He picked the 30-06 for the fact that it will work on anything on this continent. Rifle has a decent factory trigger pull and factory target measuring 0.66. I am an avid reloader and know I can get this one to shoot. I have never owned an 06 before so I am anxious to get working on it. No doubt about it this round will never go away. Too good to.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
The ONLY thing that comes to my mind is:

"The ignorant little shit!"

Damn, Ray, you have such a way with words!

My local gun shop is a one man operaton and he sells lots of guns. We were just sitting around shooting the breeze the other day and he said the 30-06 is hard to sell because everyone already has at least one. He went on to say he sells 1-3 a year. However he does sell lots of 30-06 ammo and reloading supplies.
Just bought my son-in-law a Sako at an auction in 30-06 will probably be the only rifle he needs.
Doc

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will probably be the only rifle he needs.
Doc

If there's a downside to the old .30-06 it's just that. It's hard to justify other guns when one owns a .30-06

I've never owned a 30-06 but i've been thinking about it for a while now and I think I would like it.
I'm considering getting one in 2006 though.