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I received a Win lever action top ejector in 30-30 and never fired it....sat in my stash for years now. My oldest son is 8 now so I thought the 30-30 perfect to start him out with for a hunting rifle. I picked up a box of 150gr Silvertips (deer) and a box of 150gr BB Barnes (black bear). How do you scope a top ejector? Or do you NOT!! Buckhorn sites never worked well for me. I'd prefer a small 2x or 4x on there! | ||
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In the past we have used a sidemount that kept the scope out of the way from the ejecting brass(most of the time). Now days with the advent of Scout scopes or a wide variety of handgun scopes we usually mount the scope forward of the receiver. The other option is one of the many choices of electronic sighting devices. I use a Burris "fastfire II" on my 94, due to old eyes. | |||
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I have a Model 71 that I added a scope to. I made it as a "Scout" setup, which has the scope above the barrel and forward of the top ejection area. The scope is a long eye relief. I made my own mount and used holes that were already in the side of the receiver. It uses the buckhorn dovetail slot on the barrel and the rear mounts to the side of the receiver. I can send a Picture if desired. Bob Nisbet DRSS & 348 Lever Winchester Lover Temporarily Displaced Texan If there's no food on your plate when dinner is done, you didn't get enough to eat. | |||
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Receiver sight (peep) is a good option. For an 8 year old, in my books a .223 better option. Has worked amazingly well for several youth I've had the pleasure of hunting with. | |||
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Scoping a Win lever action is like buying a pen of roosters to get into the egg business, it usually doesn't work!  I like a shallow V sight. The old Texas Rangers sometimes used a V with a square blade front sight sometimes made with a dime, and took a sight picture like you would on a pistol, allowing the post to be level with the top of the V..My granddads Ranger rifle is like that and its as fast and as accurate as the receiver sight. Its my favorite set up.. A good receiver sight with the disc taken out is a good sight on a Win IMO..I suspect Buckhorn sights might work for an 8 year old with those good eyes, but you could file it flat on top, that seems to work for some. I see no reason to scope a Win. it was designed for irons...Age is a poor "crutch" for not using iron sights, buy yourself a pair of glasses..I wear glasses and have bifocals and at almost 80 I still shoot irons a lot. If a person just doesn't like iron sights, that is a legitamate excuse to not use them..just my two bits on that subject..  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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 You're lucky Ray .No glasses that I've tried will allow me to focus on both sights and a target I can try to line up two blurs and a target but that's about as good as it gets. Not too great I might add. The scope forward (scout) set up really works for me. The blur thing happened when I was shooting ATA Trap competition. Big ego set back.  Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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The side mount is the most common solution I see in my neck of the woods. I know they look odd, and some folks find it an abomination. I have a side mount on my 94, 32 Special. Your cheek won't be tight against the stock, but it works. With my set up I can see both the open sights or the scope, depending on how I line up. It works for me. It's particularly nice in the crappy sleety/rainy/snowy weather we tend to have in PA deer season. Traditionalists cringe, but my old eyes don't do open sights much past fifty yards. It works well for me. I've tried scout mounts and can't learn to like them. Bfly Work hard and be nice, you never have enough time or friends. | |||
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Bartch, I could be wrong but i think its imposible to focus at more then on distance. Back wheni was learning to shoot a hand gun, I learned to focus on the front sight and the target would allays be out of focus...tj | |||
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 You may be quite right but when passing through the forties ( age ) something drastic happened to my sighting perception. Calling it simple focus my not be the inclusive terminology. However a rose by any other name-----.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I think the question concerned getting set up for a KID to shoot, not a GEEZER! Biscut, you might want to check into the set ups like the Ghost Rings or similar. Some of those set ups use existing holes and or dovetails to install. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Redfield 294. If you can find one. The barrel will need to be tapped three times to hold the base. The base acts as a rear sight if the scope is removed. | |||
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I brought a Marlin. | |||
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Peep/receiver sights work on Winchesters. Scopes do not and if you drill and tap one on the side of a pre-64, you just cut the value in half. My first rifle was a M94 in 1966 and the first thing I did was order a Williams 5D (which actually cost 5 dollars then). Worked great. Still have it. | |||
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Bartsche, At almost 80 Ive had to deal with the iron sight problem as my eyes have aged..I still make it work and can still shoot irons as good as ever... Your eye has to focus on the rear sight and the front sight and let the target blur, your eyes cannot focus on all three, they never could! This is easier with a peep sight btw, but I still like barrel mounted shallow V sights. The blurred target is of no consequences as you still know where to put the bead like on the shoulder, neck or brain well enough to execute a perfect shot... I hear of these problems and the old eyes claims and I'm sure in some cases the claim is legit but mostly its a crutch. practice is the clue to success with the use of irons by us old folks..A lot of it can be mental and also many of todays hunter/shooters were raised on scopes and simply don't know how to shoot irons and blame it on the irons. At up to about 100 yards I can shoot irons better than a scope and have won many a ham and turkey competeing against scoped rifles..the reasoning behind it is I can better concentrate on trigger pull and irons do not magnify my wobble like a scope. A 4x scope magnifys a wobble 4 times and a 10X ten times, go figure, that is a mind game the human brain and eye just can't cope with IMO..With a scope one tends to grab at the trigger as it flots past the bulls eye, not so with irons as it looks rock steady.. Thats my take on the subject, right or wrong, it works for me and has for near 80 years, but hey I never even shot a gun until I was 12 months old and that was just a 25-35!!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atkinson: Bartsche, At almost 80 Ive had to deal with the iron sight problem as my eyes have aged..I still make it work and can still shoot irons as good as ever...  Ray, Actually your hunting experience dwarfs mine. I have, however, been an ardent shooter since I was 9 years old. That was 69 years ago. The Scout mount just works for me. Have you ever given it a fair try? With a little practice you may like it.  At present I use 1 1/2 power and 2 power pistol scopes and the target and the sights are on one plane. Personally I find it as fast as using a shot gun ( with good Vision) on stationary and moving targets. I still do some open sight, off hand shooting at the range , but not much, and only to show off. The results , however , are not nearly as good as they use to be . Health will not permit me to go to the high country any more ,but if you ever get down this way bring that 25-35. I'd like to shoot it; even with open sights rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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.....NOT is the answer for me....and I'm with you about the buckhorn sights.....file them down until you have a flat top and a notch.....smear on some Brownells oxpho-blue and go hunting. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I'd leave the existing sights alone what I'm really wondering about is how an 8 year old is going to handle the recoil of 150 grain Silvertips in that rifle. I started my first son on far less recoiling loads than a 30/30 and we worked him up as he grew in size, today you can hand that kid anything .458, .416 Rigby you name it and he shoots it well. It took a long time to get there and I was patient and I think thats why he is so handy with a rifle now. 30/30 may be a pop gun to you but to a 65 to 80 pound kid it could feel like an elephant rifle. Just my opinion. | |||
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Good post.....but IMO the muzzle blast from a centerfire rifle is a greater deterrent to young shooters than recoil.....adding seriopus recoil don't help matters much but the first consideration IMO would be serious ear protection and the recoil becomes secondary. I assume we're talking a .30-30 here and if that's true, then recoil is managable for most folks over 100 pounds....but the noise is a top priority for youngster shooting. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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A Decelerator recoil pad on that 30-30 and either reduced recoil handloads or Remington managed-recoil ammunition and it will be a pussycat. http://www.remington.com/produ.../managed-recoil.aspx Good ear protection as other folks have mentioned is a must. Foamies and a headset while they're learning is a good thing. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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The best way to scope a Winchester lever action is to keep the drill bits away from the classic actions and get a model 88. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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I just put the Williams peep on mine, haven't out to shoot it yet though. | |||
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I appreciate all the advice. He's 8 that is true but he has had an AR (in my lap from the bench) since he was 5 and does ok with the loud blast. Not that an AR is anything recoil wise; it is loud though! Only 1 way to find out about recoil.... I have plenty of safe queens, this will not be one and I'm not one to resell and not worried about it in this instance. I am leaning toward the scout scope arrangement. Nice Leupold 2x small and unobtrusive. I'm not a fan of the side mount arrangement, only on my M1A do I find it ok. | |||
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Biscut - Lots of opinions out there which is as it should be. To weight those opinions, maybe you should ask how many of the ones saying they wouldn't scope a M94, have ever actually used one with a scope on it? Those who haven't are expressing opinions based on their own logic, what they have heard somewhere, or what they read in some gun rag, not on true field experience with one.. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Sounds about right to me! rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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