Lets hear some input. Caliber is unimportant. Looking for general thoughts of the rifle itself.

Question:
Lets hear some input. Caliber is unimportant. Looking for general thoughts of the rifle itself.

Choices:
Definately nice, worth the money.
Overpriced, wouldnt even beat a crat with the stock

 

I have one of the new current slim/trim supergrade 3 rifles and love it!It has one of the fanciest figured stock i have ever seen.Feeds 270wsm rounds slick as snot and is superaccurate and came from the box with a great trigger and safety,Plus low recoil.Cant say enough good about it and highly recommend the rifle and cartridge!The super grade is a classic!

gixxer,
I'm looking at one of the newer ones in .270Win. and may pick it up next week. I've owned a couple of these in the past and can't add much to what blackbearhunter has said. The Supergrades are a great buy in my mind. I think the Winchester products are better than ever...so much to choose from...
I saw your post on the red pad supergrades. I'm not sure when they stopped using the red pads. The previous supergrades I owned had the red pads and CRF and were nice rifles.
The supergrades are not light rifles. They come in at a solid 8 lbs. If your wanting something lighter you can always go to the featherweight. Some of the featherweights come with decent, "almost" supergrade wood but you have to be patient and look at a few.

All,
I own a couple of supergrades but am having a hard time seeing accuracy improvements over the regular grade. Is the "super" in supergrade just a reference to wood or does Winchester put a better barrel or crown job or free float or whatever to make the rifle more accurate? I am trying to figure out if we are talking cosmetics or functionality or both.
No bad mouthing of Winchester, I own 10 of them.

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Originally posted by Sendero300:
gixxer,
I'm looking at one of the newer ones in .270Win. and may pick it up next week. I've owned a couple of these in the past and can't add much to what blackbearhunter has said. The Supergrades are a great buy in my mind. I think the Winchester products are better than ever...so much to choose from...
I saw your post on the red pad supergrades. I'm not sure when they stopped using the red pads. The previous supergrades I owned had the red pads and CRF and were nice rifles.
The supergrades are not light rifles. They come in at a solid 8 lbs. If your wanting something lighter you can always go to the featherweight. Some of the featherweights come with decent, "almost" supergrade wood but you have to be patient and look at a few.

That is good that the rifle weighs so much. I do not mind truckin around a heavy rifle as compared to gettin stomped when you pull the trigger. I am carryin a 10lb+ rifle right now.

I ended up winning the bid on the rifle in question in the other post, and even though it is NIB I suspect it is a 2003 model. I shall contact Win when I get the rifle next week and have em run a serial ## check for me.

Dogcat, I really have no clue what else they do besides put some nice wood on the thing, and maybe a trigger job. We shall see how slick the bolt operates too. even if it did need work, I paid nowhere near the real supergrade price for it so that isnt much of an issue.

You get what you see in the post 64 Classics. Mine was a pretty rifle with a good action. It was too heavy and only an average shooter.

I got it used at a good price and sold it without much loss thru a dealer. I was thinking of using maybe the stock, the action or something but now I like other rifles even better.

What is the price for a super grade in a .270 or .300 win mag. right now? What can you buy one for?

some of em are going for $700 to $1500 on Gunbroker. I scored mine for under $600 AFTER shipping.

Would $900 for one with great wood be a good deal?

You should do research on the internet, and what your local dealer can do for you. I was planning on getting a beat ass(folks still want over $500 for some beat ass weapons, silly) 7mm or 300 Win mod70 for a rebuild to 458 or 470 AR, but I stumbled on that deal. Besides the fact that the 470 AR is gonna have to wait till summer, you should get an idea for what the market is right now, and can make a decision from there. I looked on the internet for months for a deal, and over a month once I made up my mind what I was looking for.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/SS-13928.html
http://www.hallowellco.com/winchester_model_70_SG%20375.htm
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/auctions.aspx
http://www.gunsamerica.com/search.cgi?lowprice=0&highpr...uper+grade&state=All
http://www.ozarkguns.com/Winchester/70%20Classic%20Supe...I/70_supergrade3.htm

Theres a start...

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Would $900 for one with great wood be a good deal?

Not especially a good deal but the one I'm looking at is about that and has real nice wood. I see them like new at the gun shows every now and then for around $600 or so... (btw,I think there has been a price increase lately on the new Wins.)

The difference in the Supergrade and standard is cosmetic only. Better wood (usually), flush mount supergrade sling swivels, black forend tip and grip cap. So you have to figure if $200 more is worth that.....

To me the biggest selling point would be the inclusion of one piece Williams bottom metal. Other than that it is basically cosmetics. Though I would not buy one without personal inspection first. Although some of them have very nice wood, of those I have looked at, just as many that have had good stocks have had grain layout that ranged from less than ideal to absolutely incorrect.

They are a great deal for the money, I have 4 but none have ever been in the field..They all have very nice wood & shoot well but I mostly hunt with laminated stocks.

Any more comments??

you have a CZ 550 458 Win Mag? I'd be willing to trade...

I had a supergrade 300 Winchester, and it was the biggest piece of shit I have ever owned. Between this rifle and the new M70 featherweight we got in trade at one of the shows I am TOTALLY SOWERED ON WINCHESTER!

Here is a list of problems I have with current USRAC rifles:

I mounted 3 sets of Burris and Leupold bases, and the action was jilted and I had to shim it. This has happened on more than one I have bought.

4-6 inch accuracy with over 10 different handloaded bullets and 5 different boxes of different factory ammo.

So I glass bed, it shaved an inch off. An fucking inch, who are they kidding.

Doesn't feed all the time. Shows no real prefference to bullet type or brass manufacterer. Just chose not to feed.

Fit and finish was shit, even for a factory gun. Big gaps everywhere. Moderately attractive piece of wood.

I adjusted the trigger for creep, then the safety didn't work properly.

USRAC=United States Ripoff Asshole Company.

I have had problems with Ruger #1s, Remington M700s, A Sako 75, Ruger 77s, and a Weatherby MKV Fibermark. But nothing even close to this bullshit.

I am sure that there are people out there than can take a M70 and rebuild it to the kind of gun that a Pre-64 was, a Sauer 202 is, or a Dakota hopes to be. It will cost you more than $800 for a NIB USRAC M70 Supergrade.

The post 64 Supergrade I had in 375 was 10 times the rifle the new one is. Think about that for a second.

For those of you longing for a good rifle, I am sure you could buy a new M70 Super grade drop it off at a gunsmith and have a moderatly nice rifle. Or you could take that same $800-1200 for the rifle and $500 for gunsmithing and put it toward a Dakota, Sauer, Heym, Empire, Blaser, Sako, Weatherby, Steyr, or a custom rifle.

WOW! For the sake of conversation it is a good thing I didnt pay that much for mine. It will be here hopefully at the end of the week, so we shall see if I have any probs. D99 i take it you voted on teh negative side of the poll, huh?

Hey D99, what branch of service are you in? I am Air Force.

Gixxer,
Sorry, I have nothing to trade.

DGG,
Sorry about the lemon. I have had a few as well, but not all at once. Reminds me of a 1966 Chevy Impala I bought, I spend more on repairs than on the car. Sold it for a loss and was glad to be done with it.

What gun is your personal favorite with the Super Grade off your list? Any suggestions?

I have a .338 SG that is probably my 2nd favorite rifle. I replaced the factory super glue bedding, adjusted the trigger, and cut the barrel to 24". I've found it to be a very consistant shooter that likes anything I put through it. It feeds perfectly and carries well. It's not a lightweight but the heft to me is about perfect for the .338. With a 2.5-8x Leupold Vari-XIII in Tally rings and mounts and an Uncle Mikes Mountain Sling (Thanks Brad)it is a perfect elk rifle as the 7x7 I hammered with it last fall can attest.

Jeff

My Sako AV fiberclass in 30-06 is my personal favorite. Then my Blasers.

The Sako isn't a better rifle than the two R93s and my K95, but it came to me at an exceptional price and has been a good rifle.

I will never own another factory rifle from USRAC. I don't like calling them Winchester. I don't think they deserve it.

I picked up my rifle today. I might say my expectations were a lot higher than what I got. The bluing is great, the wood itself is marvelous, feathering and burl on both sides of the butt, <BUT> the fit and finish of the stock is a little lacking. The checkering seems dull, and filled in with too much finish, some of the checks are broken, and the seams around the grip cap and buttpad have slight gaps and some tool marks.

I am not disappointed, I picked it up for a hair under $600 NIB. So, basically, it looks like a regular production rifle with nice wood. Would I have paid full price for this weapon, definately not. Too bad the stock is not more robust, I would use this for my 470 AR conversion. I guess I could get a checkering tool and clean it up, remove tool marks and refinish the whole stock. I would post pics, but dont have a digi cam anymore.

Anyhow, I still plan on replacing the extractor with a Williams, and send it to Doug Turnbull for a nitre blue. The grip cap is getting the Turnbull treatment too, gettin it color case hardened.

<EDIT> Forgot to mention that it NEEDS a trigger job bad. The trigger pull on it now is like TWELVE pounds.

Gixxer you shoot the piece of FOD yet?

I have 6 model 70s,
I have never had one that was a pos, but i freely admit some are better than others. 3 of mine are Classics. 3 are pre64 featherweights.
The best shooter of the bunch is my stock classic in 7mmSTW. I shoots supurbly ! like a varmint rifle till it gets hot. The worst 2 are a classic .338 witch shoots well enough for most about 1.5 inches ,but it has a beautifull wood stock, I am thinking of sending it to hill country rifles and having them redue it with a McMillan stock and an accurizing job ,and using the prety stock on the 30,06 to wheeln conversion i am working on. 1 that drives me nuts is my 1957 featherweight ,270 custom I have spent about 1800 bucks on and it still is only about a 1.5 inch rifle. I gave to my smith to see what he thinks, and then i will give it one more try, and if it does not shoot moa or close to it when I get it back I will sell or trade it.
It has a Pac-Nor barrel Cryoed, A canjar trigger a rimrock stock matt blue finish, it looks great but does,nt shoot as good as my stock featherweight 06 or .308, not to mention my full stock CZ or evan my ultra light ruger in .257 roberts. But I love model 70s, classics or pre 64. I Would love to get a supergrade in 300 win or 300 H&H...tj3006

I would rather have a smith build me a custom rifle on a Savage or Ruger 77 tang safety than work on a USRAC M70.

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Originally posted by D99:
Gixxer you shoot the piece of FOD yet?

I thought you were Air Force. No, I did not shoot it. I am not going to shoot it till I fix the stock, and get some cosmetic metal work done. Either way, I am keeping it, so even if it shoots like poo, I will rebarrel for something "bigger".

Hmmm...I might beat a crat with it...but ain't sure what a crat is...

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Originally posted by Tombo:
Hmmm...I might beat a crat with it...but ain't sure what a crat is...

Housecat. Check out the small game hunting forum. A lot of folks there despise crats, and always come up with new ways to get rid of em.