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Is Remington going to build as cheap as ot gets rifles are what.I think there new guns are getting cheaper and cheaper.Their prices sure aint going down.The Remington 710 was a walmart special that disposible.You use it up till the goodie parts gone then throw it away.The cheap winchester black shadows are junkie to me too.I think every one I seen in the store is prerusted.I hope Ruger keeps making good guns and does not go to cheapie versions.I am looking for painted guns soon in the future, no bluing with a recycled plastic stock.I hope someone still builds good guns in 20 years. | ||
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The lack of craftsmanship is just sad. I look at my Swedish Mausers with their fine wood/metal fit and butter smooth actions and then look at production guns nowadays and just shake my head in disgust. Most modern guns hold little interest for me as many are ugly and poorly fitted. Remington is really pumping out some crap. Maybe they are trying to "one-up" the 1964 Winchester fiasco. Producing an entry level product is one thing, but turning out pieces of shit will only alienate customers and destroy a company's reputation. If this manufacturing method is the wave of the future I feel bad for new shooters. There is nothing worse than equipment that doesn't work well. | |||
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I have a couple in stock and to be honest I'm not all that impressed for the $. Everything is OK but the stock is nothing more than an SPS stock with some rubberized panels. Their 'corrosion resistant' finish has a bit of a gold tint to it. Quality seems ok, but I don't think it's worth the extra dough over a Stainless SPS. Gib | |||
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I would not own one of the modern stripped down, engineer designed pieces of junk. Remington 710s, Benelli Novas and such give me the willies. For less noney you can get a used Pre '64 M-70 or a Model 12. One explanation for the junkie stuff selling is that there is ageneration of younger shooters that were never taught about quality guns. They don't know what quality looks like and why it is important. | |||
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I saw it next to the 710.I said dang they are turning the 700 into a cheap as heck make rile.The dealer had a few that were some special edition that he said were so easy to scratch on the finish that he didnt put them in the racks because of that reason. | |||
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Remington is the same as the rest of the US gun makers, obsessed with the bottom line. Gunsmiths and machinists have given way to bean counters and lawyers. I recently purchased a Remigton 700BDL in .25-06 that is pitiful. I always spend the extra $250. for glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger lightening. I don't expect miracles from the manufacturers. Even with this after purchase work the rifle still will not do better than a 1.3" group. Remington will tell you that's acceptable accuracy. We didnt learn a damn thing when we threw away the auto market. Now we're going to repeat ourselves again as if we never learn. Ok I'll settle for CZ and Tikka, but I won't continue to buy junk, US or otherwise. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal Cal Sibley | |||
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The Remington 700s are still good rifles even the current runs. W/ the huge amount of sales they do w/ 700s you can expect there will be a few lemons, it's no different than going and buying a Ford/Chevy/Dodge off the lot. I've bought two new current production Remington 700s in the past year and both will shoot less than 1/2" at 100 yards infact, one (700 P) will shoot very small one jagged hole groups. I know quite a few other fellas that have bought them recently too and haven't heard any complaints but, the usual "Long Throats now but, they still shoot." Most accurate factory rifles I've ever dealt w/. Easy to do mods and a multitude of parts available. Don't understand the qualms about the Stock on the XCR, it's probably one of the best tupperware stocks on similarly priced rifles, if not the best. Reloader | |||
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As time goes on I am in agreement...used guns are the best and this includes a lot of MFRs...including FNs and Winchesters as well. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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My last purchase of a 700 soured me on 'em for good. I won't even think about buying a new one now. I might consider an older one, but really, it's not a design I'm very fond of, so that probably won't happen either. | |||
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I have few Remington rifles and yes, they don't look like Heym or Sauer, but they shoot well. I load my own and for me shooting over 1MOA is no-no. ALl my Remington rifles are 1/2MOA or better at 100yr. Greetings | |||
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Personally, I fail to see the allure of the pre-64 Winchester Model 70. Now, I love my 1949 Model 94, and can see a difference in the bluing, wood quality, etc. But - modern CNC machining allows for more accurate rifles today than what was produced in general in the 50's and 60's. There are far more factory rifles capable of shooting under an inch today than ever before. I agree that the 710s and some of the "promo" quality package guns are crap...but that is because the stocks are cheap tupperware and not because the action or barrel are crap. (Except for the 710, which is pretty much crap personified with its platic bolt parts, etc.) Rather than spend the money for a used, perhaps abused, pre-64 Model 70, I would buy a new Winchester Classic, CZ-550, Serengeti, or even a Savage! Just my 2 cents. | |||
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Hello Reloader, You obviously got a good one from Remington. We're very happy for you. A lot of us weren't so fortunate. Some of us have a rack full of Remingtons that were surepbly made. That makes it even harder to accept a piece of crap from them now. There's a good chance that's what you'll get today, a piece of crap. It's unfortunate, that's for sure. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal Cal Sibley | |||
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Cal, You stand the same chance w/ any other Manu. out too. I don't doubt there are some Bumb 700s out there, I've dealt w/ a fair share of them that were made in the last 15 or so years and they all shot well. The Triggers are mighty easy to work w/ as well. I'll keep on Buying, Ya'll keep on Passing  .Have a Good Day Reloader | |||
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If you want to buy a new rifle, buy a Savage | |||
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Kimber is turning out some good rifles as well,and for only about 4300 more than a remington 700 | |||
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I realize that this theme has been hit VERY hard by the gun mag writers who have a living to make, but I don't agree at all. While some makers are new since then (Kimber, Dakota, and a handfull of others), the major manufacturers are all down in terms of quality. Did the Pre-64 70 have a bad rap for accuracy? The 721? Heck it's hard to find one of those that won't shoot well if not very well with todays ammo. IMO that (ammo) was the thing holding the old guns back. What the major manufacturers have done is used the modern processes to make the product cheaper. I bought my first centerfire rifle a little more than 20 years ago and the same rifle today is only 20% more expensive now than then. Considering the HUGE increases in insurance costs for the gun industry, the maker had to cut costs to hold the line on pricing. The cutting of costs I believe was achieved through automation, eliminating hand work, and to a smaller extent, loosening of quality standards. You still get what you pay for, but now increasingly, you are paying for insurance to cover the makers behinds. Gabe Gabe Pa to three sons Sambone 5 Catcher 3 Heebies 1 Husband to one wife the Cluck | |||
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