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| In my somewhat limited experience, the Remington 700s have very good adjustable triggers. The Kimber rimfire rifles come with wonderful triggers, right out of the box. I just purchased a new Ruger Express rifle in 270 Winchester. The gun is expensive and very well made. The trigger is lousy. One should not have to buy an expensive aftermarket trigger for a top of the line gun. |
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| Remington has the most adjustable factory trigger, IMHO.
But a Ruger with a Timney is just as good. The reason I mention the Ruger is that the cost of adding the trigger is about the same as the price of a factory Rem, much less than a Browning etc.
Brownings are good, but not in quite the same league.
Howa is pretty good also, but then again not quite with Remington.
Winchester is pretty good also. |
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| The Blaser R93 has the best factory trigger. No need to do anything with it unless a crisp 2 lb. trigger is not to your liking. |
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| The Sako is probably the best of hunting rifle triggers. It is fully adjustable and usually breaks cleanly. It can be safely adjusted lighter than most people want their hunting rifles.
The Model 70 Winchester is also an excellent trigger.
The 700 Remington, while most can be made to have a pretty good feel through careful adjustment, has the deadly trigger-safety defect which Remington refuses to fix (this is one instance where their lawyers don't advise fixing a defect since by fixing it they would be admitting the problem -- so they blunder ahead building a trigger-safety which has killed and will kill and maim dozens of people.) |
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| Sako, Tikka, Blaser, and Weatherby all have excellent trigers.
Howa and CZ are also pretty good, but not as good as those on the first group.
All the new Winchesters I've tried are pretty crisp but heavy. I think they have adjustment screws once you take the action off the stock. |
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| I don't know about any problems with the Remington triggers, haven't killed anybody yet, most of my Rem. triggers I've got adjusted to about 20oz. from my own doing, matter a fact, I just adjusted a friends Rem. trigger I know from work, at the range yesterday in about 15min. now he has a nice 2.5lb. trigger, he didn't want it as light as my VSSF, don't blame him, 20oz. is a little light for a deer rifle, at any rate, Remington has a good trigger when adjusted to a light and safe weight, saved alot of money by doing it myself, it's quite easy really, instructions anyone? Jay |
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| Jay,
Sent you a PM....
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| There was a time I would have swore by the Remington trigger, but like most other things in recent years Remington seems hell bent on screwing this up also. I just purchased a Remington VLS in 6mm Rem. That trigger must have about an 8 lb trigger on it. Lawyers or not I see no sense in that, and it may well be my last Remington. I'm tired of being saddled with the extra costs passed on to us by the manufacturer. Sako, CZ, Tikka and Howa all seem to have reasonable triggers on them. My, my, my isn't it amazing none of those guns are made in the states. Best wishes.
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| | | Posts: 1866 | Location: Montreal, Canada | Registered: 01 May 2003 |
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| I've got a Tikka WH and the trigger is great. Came from factory set at 3.25 pounds. I could lower it easily to 2 if i wanted. Weatherby's I have shot had excellent triggers. Ruger's were so-so.
I imagine Sako's are nice as well considering they are made by the same people in the same factory. the worst triggers I have used on a new factory gun were remington's, Brownings (BLR's), never hsot an a-bolt. |
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Originally posted by Cal Sibley:
My, my, my isn't it amazing none of those guns are made in the states.
Yeah, with Canada being the powerhouse firearm manufacturer that it is, it's "amazing" that any US companies are still in business, huh! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif) |
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| Pagris,
I have used Remingtons for over 40 years and have been thorougly pleased with them, including their triggers. I do my own trigger tuning and unless you get plumb ignorant with the adjustments,they are one of the best and safest, factory triggers out there in their price range.
Someone mentioned Blasers having a crisp 2# trigger, well they should have for the price.
Ruger, and Savage shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Remington, regarding triggers.
If the trigger doesn't suit you as delivered, all it takes is a small screw driver to make it better. They are three way adjustable out of the box.
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| I like a number of them. Remingtons, as mentioned, are fully adjustable. But they must be adjusted to retain sufficient contact with the sear to allow the safety to work. Being an enclosed unit, they can accumulate dirt, dust and moisture which encourages them to malfunction. BTW, any enclosed trigger unit is vulnerable to this problem, not just Remington.
The Winchester M70 trigger is a simple open design. It is "adjusted" by stoning the surfaces, and adjusting the pull weight to get a light, clean let off. They are very easy to keep clean, and, due to their open design, much less likely to accumulate debris which encourage them to malfunction.
The current Ruger Mk.II's have a similar open design to Winchester's, but are harder to stone and have no weight of pull adjustment. The older tang safety Rugers had an excellent, open, fully adjustable trigger.
Except for the fancy new varmit trigger on the Savages, almost all of them have little adjustment range or ability to be adjusted like the above. The Browning A-Bolts are similar. E |
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Originally posted by Cal Sibley:
My, my, my isn't it amazing none of those guns are made in the states.
Yeah, with Canada being the powerhouse firearm manufacturer that it is, it's "amazing" that any US companies are still in business, huh!
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| Hello again: Thanks to all for the input. One more question - are Timney triggers difficult to install(say on a Ruger 77)? |
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| Let me tell you about my experience with Timney.
I called back in February to ask when they would have available their triggers for the Howa 1500. They said it would be ready for sale in a couple of weeks. I placed my order then and asked that it be set at 3 lbs. They said, OK, no problem.
A month went by with no trigger. I called and was told they were having problems with some parts made by suppliers. It would only be a few weeks more.
That damned song and dance went on for six months. Finally, by early August, I said fuck it. I called and cancelled my order.
Three weeks later I get my trigger. The one I didn't want anymore. I called to ask why one was sent, since I had called to cancel. I was told that the person I spoke to had not cancelled my order.
I decided to try it on and see if I wanted to keep it. Well, the trigger will not fit in a Howa without grinding off the bolt locking tab meant for the Weatherby Vanguard (the Howa 1500 lacks the slot machined in the receiver to let the tab go up and lock the bolt). The longer adjustment screws on the front of the trigger housing would require me to grind part of the stock away. On top of all that, the safety was rough, stiff, and loud.
Basically the trigger SUCKS, and I sent it back for a refund.
I will never buy anything from Timney again. |
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Let me tell you about my experience with Timney.
I called back in February to ask when they would have available their triggers for the Howa 1500. They said it would be ready for sale in a couple of weeks. I placed my order then and asked that it be set at 3 lbs. They said, OK, no problem.
A month went by with no trigger. I called and was told they were having problems with some parts made by suppliers. It would only be a few weeks more.
That damned song and dance went on for six months. Finally, by early August, I said fuck it. I called and cancelled my order.
Three weeks later I get my trigger. The one I didn't want anymore. I called to ask why one was sent, since I had called to cancel. I was told that the person I spoke to had not cancelled my order.
I decided to try it on and see if I wanted to keep it. Well, the trigger will not fit in a Howa without grinding off the bolt locking tab meant for the Weatherby Vanguard (the Howa 1500 lacks the slot machined in the receiver to let the tab go up and lock the bolt). The longer adjustment screws on the front of the trigger housing would require me to grind part of the stock away. On top of all that, the safety was rough, stiff, and loud.
Basically the trigger SUCKS, and I sent it back for a refund.
I will never buy anything from Timney again.
What was that about whining?
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| Last year I purchased a Browning "A-Bolt Composite Stalker" new in the box. The factory trigger was a little stiff at 5 lbs. so I read the owner's book and in 15 minutes had it down to 2.5lbs. It is crisp and smooth with just the right let off for me. This has been a sub MOA rifle from day one. I also have an older Mod70 featherweight in .270 which I adjusted the trigger down to about 2.5 lbs in less than 15 minutes. I am not a gunsmith but believe this to be a "no-brainer". I have never experienced a slam fire or any other malfunctions in these weapons after several hundred rounds. Savage accu-trigger is one of the smoothest I've fired but not very eye appealing. A smooth trigger is like power stearing on a car, not a necessity but you can get into tighter places a lot easier! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif) |
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Originally posted by Orion 1:
Let me tell you about my experience with Timney.
I called back in February to ask when they would have available their triggers for the Howa 1500. They said it would be ready for sale in a couple of weeks. I placed my order then and asked that it be set at 3 lbs. They said, OK, no problem.
A month went by with no trigger. I called and was told they were having problems with some parts made by suppliers. It would only be a few weeks more.
That damned song and dance went on for six months. Finally, by early August, I said fuck it. I called and cancelled my order.
Three weeks later I get my trigger. The one I didn't want anymore. I called to ask why one was sent, since I had called to cancel. I was told that the person I spoke to had not cancelled my order.
I decided to try it on and see if I wanted to keep it. Well, the trigger will not fit in a Howa without grinding off the bolt locking tab meant for the Weatherby Vanguard (the Howa 1500 lacks the slot machined in the receiver to let the tab go up and lock the bolt). The longer adjustment screws on the front of the trigger housing would require me to grind part of the stock away. On top of all that, the safety was rough, stiff, and loud.
Basically the trigger SUCKS, and I sent it back for a refund.
I will never buy anything from Timney again.
What was that about whining?
I'm telling exactly what happenned between Timney and I. Tough shit if it sounds like whining to you. I sent the pice of shit back and asked for my money. Period.
If you think SIX months of bullshit excuses is acceptable service, more power to you. I don't. |
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