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Hi, The website states the V model sako hunter weighs nearly 9 pounds?! Does this bother any of you, or does the balance/portability make it seem less? I suppose it would help for recoil, but it would mean that with a scope, sling and ammo, the rifle will weigh 10lbs! | |||
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Actually by the time you add scope,mounts, ammo and a sling to a 9 rifle the final weight will be in the 10-1/2 pound range.I carry rifles that are on the heavier side but even to me the sako75 feels heavy.It also seems to be light in the muzzle for my tastes.I prefer a slightly muzzle heavy rifle for accuracy and to reduce muzzle lift on recoil. | |||
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My Sako 75 (V action, 300 Win Mag) weights just around 9 3/4 lbs with scope. Not a bother at all to carry on my regular deer hunts. But, if I was going up into the mountains, I would take my Howa .30-06, which weighs a pound less, or would buy a lightweight rifle if I did mountain hunts often enough. The Sako's weight does soak up recoil rather well. | |||
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quote:Accuracy is relative. What is disappointing for you might be entirely adequate for someone else. I take the bolt apart once, maybe twice, a year. Needing a tool to do it is not big bother. I've never needed to do it more often than that. The Sako scope mount system clamps down on a dovetail hard enough to keep the scope from moving IF the screws are on tight. A scope falls off those dovetails because it isn't properly tightened. Do you think someone would admit in front of strangers to not checking his rifle before a big hunt? Of course he'll blame the rifle. Funny how mine never comes off unless I want it to. This overengineering I keep hearing about, what exactly is that? Three lugs on the bolt? A bolt shroud that needs a tool? What? Rifle progress did not stop with the Model 70. | |||
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Accuracy is a problem for the Sako???? Not my experience, or several friends. Fickle??? Yes, more so than most rifles. Accurate when you find the right combanation of powder and bullet....Definitely!!!! My scope mounts have never moved either...sakofan.. | |||
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quote: quote:I have disassembled my bolt w/ my hands many times. | |||
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Sako didn't drop the older models and go to the M-75 to increase quality . They did it to cut costs. It is obviously a cheaper rifle to build . For the price , I would much prefer to get my hands on an older Sako . Although it it well known that the scope mounting system is problematic with heavy kickers . Another case of mechanical engineers screwing up ......... | |||
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quote:Maybe you could explain to me how more difficult to build equals higher quality? Define quality. Defects per million? Tighter tolerances? How tight for good "quality"? Tell you what, when you successfully run a mass production manufacturing business, feel free to lecture about cost/quality/manufacturability relationships. | |||
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I can't agree with Allen on the bolt sleeve or scope mount system. I think the bolt is really simply and quite easy to disassemble. The dovetail scope mounting system is very robust and the Optilock rings are very nice. If I had one complaint, it would be that they don't use Torx screws with their bases or rings. I've got two pre-lock 75's, a .300 Wby and 7mm Mag and have been more pleased with these rifles than any other I've ever owned. For factory rifles they have been quite accurate. | ||
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quote:Some people think rifle development stopped in 1964 with Winchester and cannot or will not accept that many have moved on. | |||
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"Some people think rifle development stopped in 1964 with Winchester and cannot or will not accept that many have moved on." Please explain how or in what manner the Sako 75 DESIGN is superior to that of the Winchester 70 ; for a hunting rifle ?? [ 06-02-2003, 23:29: Message edited by: sdgunslinger ] | |||
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quote:I guess I could begin with a better scope mounting system, a superior trigger than doesn't need to have the action off the stock for adjustment (and doesn't come from the factory set at 7 lbs), higher quality barrels, and a bolt that is easier and faster to operate due to its three lug design. Take you Winchester. I'll keep my Sako. | |||
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Orion 1, sdgunslinger specified DESIGN. I guess I could begin with a better scope mounting system, Totally false, that is the Sako's weakest point. a superior trigger than doesn't need to have the action off the stock for adjustment (and doesn't come from the factory set at 7 lbs) A 7 pound trigger from the factory is not a function of DESIGN. higher quality barrels Again, not a function of DESIGN and a bolt that is easier and faster to operate due to its three lug design. I am split 50/50 on the 3 lug 60 degree Vs 2 lug 90 degree.Based on my extensive use of Weatherbys over many years I find the short bolt lift faster but other find it awkward. The biggest problem with the 60 degree bolt lift is the big sacrifice in primary extraction. With their relatively narrow locking lugs and 90 degree bolt lift no action has the same degree of primary extraction as the Model 70 or Mauser. Mike | |||
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Mike375, I couldn't disagree more with you about the scope mounts. The dovetails and Optilocks have been just as solid, if not more so, that any other mounts I've ever tried. In regard to the bolt design, I would have to say the Winchester/Mauser design is preferable, but the Sako design is very fine in its own right. And just to clarify things, the Sako requires 70 degrees of bolt lift, not 60. [ 06-04-2003, 00:19: Message edited by: Delta Hunter ] | ||
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quote:Interesting. Exactly how does this work? Simply via the taper? Is this suggestive of optic movement during recoil? Does said movement, and the arrest of the same, result in metal removal within the taper or at the base? Hmmm.... As I recall, American engineers gave us the Ford Pinto, the Chevy Vega, etc., etc. Does your engineering degree justify your incessant personal attacks? Your credibility suffers from such behaviour. IMO, the Sako is one of the finest off-the-shelf hunting arms. Our manufacturers could certainly take a lesson in quality control from the Sako folks. Now, if they would just discontinue their scope mount system in favour of those silly little fragile base screws! | |||
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Holmes, I totally agree w/ the crazy hex screws!! A real bad idea...but, a terrific rifle!!...sakofan... | |||
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Delta Hunter The Optilocks with the side screw and recoil stop negate any theoretical advantage that the tapered dovetails might have. The fact that they are working for you on your rifle does not change the fact that nothing will beat bases sweated and screwed to a Rem 700 or M70 receiver and especially when such bases are available for every mounting system in the world. If you go back to the start of this thread I answered the topic starter on the "out of the box" situation and also a "if you want to press on further" situation. A fundamental requirement to achieving top accuracy is the ability to be able to get all the bits and also have lots of other people involved with similar gear. It is certainly the case that most shooters do not want go any further than what comes out of the box. However many shooters do have that desire in their system and often make the mistake of buying a rifle as a starting point based on "out of the box" reputation as to accuracy, finish and general quality. Mike | |||
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Man, this one about the design of the Sakos is quite lively. Some say they are fantastic and some say they ain't all they are cracked up to be! I thought about actually buying one and if I do I hope I don't make a mistake. Kinda makes you wonder with all these Engineers around! But to tell you the truth I have wondered about the scope mounting system looking a little too 'smooth' as compared to the Ruger system. And in my estimation a $1400.00 rifle should not be 'finicky' about loads! Hope this one gets ironed out so I can make up my mind!! [ 06-05-2003, 01:36: Message edited by: sizzlebird ] | |||
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