Milos,There's nothing wrong with the .303.It's a rather venerable round for it's class.I'm proud to have an enfield in my locker,,And I also took a good bit of game with it before I could afford to "upgrade" to a commercial sporter rifle.Do you still have it? As far as taking 500yd shots on game,,,I don't see much sport in it,For me ,some stalking and getting a good bit closer to the game is 90% of the fun.No I don't bag everything I stalk,,But the ones I do take I feel I earned.Thats me,,,Good luck
Posts: 2119 | Location: woodbine,md,U.S.A | Registered: 14 January 2002
I hate to say this but 4" groups at 700 yards with a Remington hunting rifle is absolute BULLSHIT. The benchrest boy's struggle for 8" to 12" aggregates at 1000 yards with 30-pound rifles, custom made by the best gunsmiths in the world.
Check out the scores at the Wimbleton and Palma matches some time. Those guys are the best in the world and they can't come close to that with meticulously tuned match rifles.
RickMD I'll grant you that consistent 4" groups at 700 might be a stretch (inconsistant may be more accurate). What I do know for sure is that I shot with him just before the hunts, and his 700 yard group measured 4", and he didn't even get excited about it (I was the one who insisted we measure it). What is no exaggeration is that he is more deadly at 500 yards than 90% of the hunters are at 100. He shoots chucks all summer, and his Sendero is ungodly accurate. The deer he took this year were at 535 and 400 plus (I don't recall the exact distance on the last one), and were both one shot kills. His Antelope was taken at 40 feet, but thats a different story.
quote:Originally posted by avidhunter: Well guys i found a used Sako L691 270 and put a nikon monarch 4-12x40AO on it and it shoots .5 moa consistently and it is very soft recoiling. 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips for mulies and 150 grain Nosler Partitions for elk.
I think that you will be very happy with this choice. The 270 is plenty of rifle for both deer and elk within reasonable ranges. It is not a 500 yard elk rifle, never has been, never will be. But I won't preach to you about that. I personally would avoid the BTs for anything bigger than a coyote though, I hate thoes things.
quote:Originally posted by claybuster: Milos,There's nothing wrong with the .303.It's a rather venerable round for it's class.I'm proud to have an enfield in my locker,,And I also took a good bit of game with it before I could afford to "upgrade" to a commercial sporter rifle.Do you still have it? As far as taking 500yd shots on game,,,I don't see much sport in it,For me ,some stalking and getting a good bit closer to the game is 90% of the fun.No I don't bag everything I stalk,,But the ones I do take I feel I earned.Thats me,,,Good luck
I agree there is nothing wrong with the 303 enfield, taken more game in this country than any caliber ever will. I was 16 when I owned it as funds were tight,but it did the trick. I have two enfields in my safe at the moment that I am looking after for a mate, brings back memorys when I give them a clean.
I would recommend a 280 rem or a 270 win. Pick any rifle you find suitable, has the options and quality that you are looking for. Scope good european scope with 30mm steel tube and a magnification that is worth something
Look among the used ones. You can make a good quality buy for the same money as new crap / JOHAN
I would recommend a 30-06 for the first rifle, its a classic and capable!
For the comment that a factory sendero shooting 4" at 700 yards being bullshit. Don't be so sure about that! Not all factory guns will do that but some will!!!
I have a friend who has been shooting 700's since 1963 and owns a factory 6mm varmiter that shoots under 1" @ 400. I know you will not believe that either. But at least don't be so hostile about it.
I have been lucky enough to come across a used Sako Finnbear .270 Win,shooting 130gn remmy solid base seconds, on 63gns Vit165 very accurately, Shots on Scots reds have presented @ anything from 70yds out to 500yds, Wether you take the shot is a personal computation, made up of the conditions at the time/your personal skill level/cull suitability, If the youth is honestly able at longer ranges then no problem, I am a current & practicing N.R.A. R.C.O.& see many shooters who can & can't shoot, some of the better ones who stalk deer/fox/rabbit, are consistently taking kills at 300 + 400 none of these guys/gals have any interest whatsoever of punching paper @ Perry or Bisley, but they are just as good & still out there, A personal range limit wether moral or otherwise is just that & should not be forced upon another shooter, The .303 Enfield is still legal in U.K. with a specific load I believe for deer.
Posts: 683 | Location: Chester UK, Home city of the Green collars. | Registered: 14 February 2006
This thread is 7 years old!!! That teenager has his own kids now.roger
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Posts: 10226 | Location: Temple City CA | Registered: 29 April 2003
Originally posted by avidhunter: I need a rifle for a 14 year old. He is pretty big, 6'2" 150 pounds. I was thinking a 300 ultra in a remington sendero. He has already shot one from the bench and it didnt bother him. What other calibers are good choices.
How exactly did he shoot the .300 Ultra? Off the bench?
If he was standing up and shot the rifle, it is going to be much different off the bench.
Buying a .300 Ultra for a 14 year old is asking for trouble. He will not enjoy shooting it after the initial novelty wears off and it is an overbored and extremely noisy caliber.
I would at least look at the regular 300 Win. Mag and even then, a 7mm Mag or 30/06 would be even better.
Having a 14 year old attempt a 500 yard shot at an animal is nonsense.
A 30/06 will easily reach out to 350 yards. Put some money into a good scope and your son will be much happier in a few months.
You guys gotta remember, kids have much better eyesite and are just as good if not better shooters then we are,[QUOTE]
Not for long with a .300 Ultra smacking him in the face just ONCE.
[QUOTE]they just have to be disciplined.
While fear may work for basic training, the goal to becoming a good game shot is relaxation. I would not go beyond a 30/06 for a youngster's first gun. A .280 Rem. would be my choice.
I would get him a single shot rifle like a T/C or NEF. That would help him develop good shooting habits because he knows he has only one shot and will learn to make it count. The worst thing to get is a semi-auto because he'll develop sloppy habits because he has a 5-20 round magazine. Start 'em right, early IMHO.
Aside from the already mentioned reasons for not going with the RUM have you considred barrel life? If he does shoot a lot a lower pressure cartridge is more likely to get him through school without needing a rebarrel. I know for the 6+ years I was in college I could hardly afford bullets much less barrels.
EDIT: I just realized how ridiculous this tread is
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the 270 won't do it the .338 will, if the 338 won't I can't afford the hunt!
Hi Why not 6,5x55 . you have the recoil less than a 3030 and killing power like a 270, all in one. very versatile round . it can kill a moose with ease and a mice too, very accurate and deadly. cheers dan
Posts: 7 | Location: UK | Registered: 27 August 2008
I think it is way out of line to imply that this man is lying about his sons shooting ability.Just because you havent seen it done. 500 yds is a damn good poke for anyone but very doable.I have an 8 year old who takes groundhogs out to 200yds fairly consistantly.6 to 7 out of 10 With a 223.But he has been shooting since he was 5 and he practices ALOT.Hope he can do it at 14.
Maybe you should let this thread die from old age. roger
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Posts: 10226 | Location: Temple City CA | Registered: 29 April 2003
RickMD I've seen 3" groups at 600 yards with a Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum with a Hart barrel (not mine, but my friends) more times than I'd like to recount (since I was shooting 6 to 9 inch groups with the same rifle on the same day). RJ was just that good a shot and a Rem 700 action was the benchrest action of choice for a long time. My rifles always shoot better than I can.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Originally posted by Per577: A .308 Win mag,.30-06 Springfield,6,5 mm x 55 would be good alternatives. I would say .300 RUM in remington rifle and full house loads( 3300 fps and 180 gr.) will scare him to death if the scope is too near that he'll have it right over his eyebrow !!Then he won't go visit the shooting range anymore
good advice i think you can add the 7 X 57 aswell it will only build his confidance
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This thread is 7 years old!!! 
That teenager has his own kids now.roger
Maybe you should let this thread die from old age. 
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