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JohnCharlieNoak, Now that you have shown up too, the preceding announcement, which has been quoted below for reference, has been upgraded to RED!! < !--color--> by the Homeland Security Department! Quote: Again the Homeland Security Department has just upgrade this thread Troll Advisory Condition RED! < !--color--> This simply means that two or more honest posters have incited/attracted a TROLL named "JohnCharlieNoak < !--color-->" Have a nice day. ASS_CLOWN | ||
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so now i gotta sell my sako and get a CRF rifle because 1) afterall it is a hunting rifle and CRF rifles are indeed "available" 2) a guide's gun jammed and he got attacked by a bear (he was using a dreaded PF SAKO) on 2nd thought, maybe when i start huunting grizz or cape buffalo, i'll switch to CRF as the whitetails, pigs, and coyotes havent noticed a difference..........yet | |||
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 hey guys I wasnt trying to start a war, just wanted to share somthing that I found interesting. As to the question would this have worked with a pusher, I dont know and dont think that I would have tried it. As to accuracy of one vs the other I cant give any info on push feed as all my rifles (with one exception a 340 savage for the boy) are CRF. I guess if I needed to put a .308 cal bullet up a knats ass at 2000 yards I might have a need for a sub .25 rifle, but with the proper loads all of my rifles will shoot under 1 inch at 100 yards and where I hunt and the style of hunting I do, I never have had a need to shoot over 175 yards anyway. Yes I could shoot farther but why? IMHO get me 10 guys with thier favorite rifle, a 6 inch gong and lets take them to the woods. Set that gong at 300 HONEST yards and see how many of them could hit it from a field position first shot. Any guesses (mine would be 1 or 2, and I would NOT be one of them). Anyway sorry for starting a war I just thought you guys may have found this interesting and useful if it ever happened to you.  | |||
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Quote: jorge, jorge, jorge, you have reeled out what little gray matter you have and stomped all over it AGAIN! If you will look up here at "wallyw's" post, you will clearly see he and I were both in the MARINES. Every MARINE has a Basic MOS of 0311 NOT 03-11. So, as usual, you blew it AGAIN! In addition, it is common for some MARINES to have additional MOSs (like me). I only post the truth and first hand experience. No need for me to post anything else. Quote: You are without a doubt the classic example of the comment, "In a battle of wits, you are totally defenseless!" You are in such a hurry to try and make me out to look bad, that you neglect to get your facts straight prior to running your mouth. You are about as "tongue-in-cheek" as Clinton in a Whore House. The reason you made the spelling mistakes was because you were in too big of a hurry to "attempt to" condem me - and you made yourself out to be a fool - AGAIN! --- Yes indeed had a good many of the TOTALLY RAG Pre-64 M70s in the constantly rusting blue and constantly warping termite food. For those folks that like them, it is fine with me, cause I sure won't have to wrestle with one ever again. Now, the current production S&S M70s do interest me. If I can find one at a reasonable price, I will have one. The more I read your posts, the less comfortable I feel about our current state of Military readiness. Why in the world the US Navy would sign on a NON-HACKER baffles me. Then again, to follow your lead, perhaps you really aren't a Swab Jockey. I certainly can't imagine anyone in Command allowing you behind the stick of a Military aircraft, even to taxi it to the blast-fence or to wash it off. It does make a lot more sense that you are simply a total Liar about being a Swab Jockey. So yes indeed NON-HACKER it is 0311 NOT 03-11. Is it possible for you to make a BIGGER FOOL of yourself???(I'm some how confident you can! ) | |||
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Quote: Sorry, didn't quite catch what you said. JCN | |||
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Mike: Sorry but you are WRONG. I just saw a New Model 70 Supergrade at the store in 300 Win Mag and Sako in their wildest dreams and with a 100knot tailwind couldn't even come close. And I like Weatherbys also so it's not a CRFvs push feed for me. That's the only push feed I would consider owning. Now when it comes to a true Africa/DGR rifle, I have to have a CRF. jorge | |||
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That I can not answer - I did not get to see the rifle - I assume it is a WBY as he admits to having 100 or so guns (includes some very nice SxS - London bespoke type guns and a supurb Holland and Holland) and none of them Remington. (when you say PF thats the one I think of anyway). He more than has the $$ to have anything fixed - so i just do not know. | |||
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I was at the range on Saturday, brought out the 375 (model 70 stainless CRF), 9.3 (FN comercial), and the trusty old 06(Also model 70 stainless CRF). While shooting the 9.3 I heard and felt a slightly strange shot. Opened the bolt and had a case without a neck on it. Now what is a person to do.........? Thought, OK I cant push the case out as I have it here in my hand. Dont have any good tools with me and I am NOT sticking a screwdriver in there hmmmmm........ Worked the bolt forward with a live round, closed the bolt most of the way, and then opened the bolt. Low and behold the offending case neck was firmly around the bullet and removed clean. I guess that CRF isnt just for DG but for not those of us who dont want to leave the range early as well. BTW I hope to use these on DG somday, for now they will just have to take care of elk,blackies,and white tail here. | |||
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I�m big fan of CRF�s ,too, but WHY did the case separate? Be careful! Hermann | |||
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checked the others in the lot (06 resized for 9.3) and I had about 10 rounds a little short. Pulled them and crushed them.  | |||
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone would NOT choose a CRF action over a push-feed, at least for a hunting rifle.......... AD | ||
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Quote: Not being a smart-ass, but about 15% of us bought a PF because, until MRC started making them you could not buy a left handed rifle in a short action unless you wanted to shell out lots and lots of money. Still can't find a short action CRF off the shelf anywhere for love nor money. Couldn't get a long action CRF either until the late nineties when USRAC started making them. I'm not talking about umpteen thousand dollar custom jobs but rifles that one could buy off the shelf. And while I truly love my Winchester CRF rifles and consider them the superior design for a real rough and ready hunting rifle (3 pos, CRF, simpler trigger etc.), those push feeds I've used since the early seventies - Sakos, Remington's and post-64 Model 70's - have never given me any grief that was related to their feeding/extraction design. BTW - as I understand the original situation, a PF would have done just as well. The loaded round would have been pushed into the neck of the separated round until it stopped at which time the extractor would have snapped over the rim of the case, allowing it to be withdrawn with the separated neck. Now please, don't y'all tell me what a moronic PF lover I am, as I said before now that we can get CRF rifles I have switched to Winchester for most of my hunting rifles. I'm just not as fanatic about the real world differences between the push feed and CRF methods in 99% of hunting scenarios. | |||
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone would NOT choose a CRF action over a push-feed, at least for a hunting rifle.......... Allen, Most shooters buy what is an overall package and their own evidence does not show CRF to be any better than PF. In fact their own evidence has probably been that it is CRFs that are more likely to have problems. Try convincing someone that a Model 70 out of the box which looks like a piece junk and probably has the barrel pointing in one direction and the action in another direction is superior to a Sako. Then for good measure the Sako is probably a smoother and more reliable feeder than the M70. Mike | |||
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Quote: They've bought the idea that a PF is, per se, more accurate. | |||
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Why wouldn't a pf rifle have removed the neck of the previos case? One thing where the CRF would be better in this example is that the PF would put more force on the separated neck because of the cartridge having to engage the extractor. This extra force might cause the separated neck to wedge into the freebore section of the chamber. Mike | |||
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Jorge, Have you compared them in stainless? Actually in this case I would personally take the M70 because I do not the recoil lug system of the Sako or the tapered dovetail scope mount setup. If all else is equal I prefer CRF but not because of reliability issues. I like them due to the advantages that come with not having to turn the bolt handle down to extract the cartridge. Mike | |||
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Reality check: Your post was interesting. If you put Hot Core and Mike 375 on *ignore* your viewing experience on AR will be more pleasant by an order of magnitude. JCN | |||
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Thanks for the idea. Parma? southern ID? | |||
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Why wouldn't a pf rifle have removed the neck of the previos case? | |||
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You're the apparent "expert" asking the questions. Maybe you should be giving the answers. Chuck | |||
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Quote: Sorry Hot Core, I didn't quite get what you posted. JCN | |||
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Yes indeed, pretty much what I thought, all the Controlled Round fans have ZERO idea of how they operate. | |||
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