I've always had a soft spot for 35's. I think a 20" bbl'd carbine would be a nice compromise between portability and velocity with either for use "in the thick."

What velocities would you expect (or have you experienced) with either of these two cartridges loaded with 250's?

Brad

In a 20" tube I would expect around 2400 fps with the 250 gr bullets. My 22" barreled Whelens (Ruger M77 and Rem M700) run from 2470 to 2550 fps, my 26" J.P. Sauer Mauser goes 2600 fps. The 250 gr Partition at 2470 literally hammered a 600# Nilgai at 200 yards for me. The ranch Foreman was thoroughly impressed.

I load my long throated Whelen to 2630 fps with either the Speer or Hornaday 250 s . 24 inch barrel and RL 15 or Varget . I have an old Handloader laying around somewheres if your interested , a guy used a long loaded .350 in a 20 inch barreled Mauser action to achieve 2600 fps with , I think , 4320 and WW 748 .

The .350 is supposed to have a bit more capacity than the 06 case , on the order of an improved Whelen case , if it's used in an action that doesn't require deep bullet seating .........

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I have a 15" 35 Whelen T/C Encore handgun. I load a Hornady 250gr. round nose with 49.0grs. of IMR 3031 with a Fed. Gold Match large rifle primer using Rem. cases. I get 2100fps. out of this 15" barrel. I also get 5-shots in one ragged hole with a Leopold 2x eer scope at 50 yds. off the bench. Mark

With bullets no heavier than 225gr the velocities run pretty close to each other but when you go to 250gr the RemMag starts to lag a little because of bullet intrusion into the case...not much but noticable.

If you build them bith on an -06 length action the 350 RM has a little more case capacity then the 35 Whelen. About the same as a 35 Whelen AI. In my rifles, both on 98 actions, the 350 RM gets about 2615 fps with 250 gr bullets out of a 20" barrel. The 35 Whelen gets 2500 fps out of a 24" barrel. If you take into consideration how differant two rifles can be, I'd have to say that the 350 has a tad more power than the 35. - Dan

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Originally posted by dan belisle:
If you build them bith on an -06 length action the 350 RM has a little more case capacity then the 35 Whelen. About the same as a 35 Whelen AI. In my rifles, both on 98 actions, the 350 RM gets about 2615 fps with 250 gr bullets out of a 20" barrel. The 35 Whelen gets 2500 fps out of a 24" barrel. If you take into consideration how differant two rifles can be, I'd have to say that the 350 has a tad more power than the 35. - Dan

Had to bump this sixteen year old thread

I am in love with the 35 Whelen! I have used both the 250s and 225 grains and have experienced one shot kills on zebra, roan etc. I have switched to the 225 swift A frames as the 225s are very accurate in my rifle. With a full load of RL15 I get around 2485 from my 20" barrel.

WRT Remington factory loads, there is no significant difference in barrels of the same length.

My notes from about 20 years ago indicate that in the .35 Whelen (a Rem. M700 Classic with 22" bbl) I chonographed 2 lots each of the 250 gr. RNSPs and 250 gr. PSPs. Average velocities (at 15') were 2321 fps (7 rds) and 2372 fps (11 rds) for the RN lots and 2319 fps (11 rds) and 2308 fps (15 rds) for the PSP lots.

I recently picked up a used Ruger M77 Mk.II in .350 RM (22" bbl) and a handful of boxes of a lot of 250 gr. PSPs from the 60s or 70s. I've also obtained a newer Chrony, which seems to give slightly higher average velocities than its predecessor. Using it, 25 rds have averaged 2359 fps.

Cheers, Al

The whole point of the .350 Rem Mag was to put .35 Whelen ballistics into a short-action cartridge capable of hurling 200gn, 225gn, and 250gn from 18.5" - 20" 'carbine'-length barrels in a lighter, easily-pointed weapon.

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Originally posted by ar corey:

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Originally posted by dan belisle:
If you build them bith on an -06 length action the 350 RM has a little more case capacity then the 35 Whelen. About the same as a 35 Whelen AI. In my rifles, both on 98 actions, the 350 RM gets about 2615 fps with 250 gr bullets out of a 20" barrel. The 35 Whelen gets 2500 fps out of a 24" barrel. If you take into consideration how differant two rifles can be, I'd have to say that the 350 has a tad more power than the 35. - Dan

Had to bump this sixteen year old thread

So AR Corey.....What does this have to do with shooting Antelope at 700 yards?

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
The whole point of the .350 Rem Mag was to put .35 Whelen ballistics into a short-action cartridge capable of hurling 200gn, 225gn, and 250gn from 18.5" - 20" 'carbine'-length barrels in a lighter, easily-pointed weapon.

The advantage is the 350 is in a 600 and light and the whelen is heavier and gives less recoil.

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
The whole point of the .350 Rem Mag was to put .35 Whelen ballistics into a short-action cartridge capable of hurling 200gn, 225gn, and 250gn from 18.5" - 20" 'carbine'-length barrels in a lighter, easily-pointed weapon.

The advantage is the 350 is in a 600 and light and the whelen is heavier and gives less recoil.

That's correct.

Given the advantage of the 600 carbine's portability, coupled with the ballistics of the .350 RM for big game in brush country and forested venues, it's a clear choice over the .35 Whelen chambered in a larger, heavier rifle, whether in AK or the lower 48.

The one exception here might be the semi-auto Mini-G, essentially a 16" Garand. You can read up on those, but the guy who makes them uses Criterion barrels chambered in .308, 30-06, or .35 Whelen. (The M1 gas system on the Mini-G is regulated by the use of an adjustable gas plug, so you can tune the system to the ammo without risking damage to the op rod).

As long as it's legal to use a semi-auto where you hunt, you can use a 5-rd M1 'hunting' clip to feed a .35 Whelen Mini-G. These carbines can even be scoped.

Now you've got yourself a handy, portable 16" autoloader that can toss out 225gn-250gn .35-cal slugs at bear, moose, elk, hogs, or deer. It would be ideal for toting around the boonies of AK on your 4-wheeler or snowmobile.

Between the two Id pick the rifle I liked best, not difference in ballistics on the game you'll hunt.