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Im gonna like my new CZ550 FS in 7X57 Mauser real well ! I put 4 Loads through it and all shot quite well ! It is a real sweet hart. But I do have 2 negatives to report. 1st I mounted the bushnell elite 3200 3x9 in Burris weaver style bases. Worked ok and the sudenly under recoil the scope slid off back wards and nailed my in the face. (good thing I didn't buy a 375.HnH). I remounted it and had a couple other guys look atit, all thought it looked fine, After about ten more rounds she nailed me again,(drew alittle blod tis time!) I will be ordering new CZ brand rings on monday ! The other Problem is with the bolt relase. It worked fine before but I can't get the bolt out. I would rather not pull the action out of te stock, although I probably will if I have to, Any body have this problem with a cz? Best load by the way was H414 48 grains under the 139 grain Hornady btsp 5 rounds into .85. Did not chroney. Tye barnes tsx With the same powder at 49.5 grains was 1.35, for 3 The same bullet with RL19 put 2 into.85 but I pulled te 3rd. Gottaget used to the set trigger. his is a sweet hart of a rifle hope I don't half to send it o Kansas city to get thebolt out ! ...tj3006 | ||
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I saw on the gunsmithing sight where you got the bolt-release lever fixed. I was also glad to hear you got good initial results with the lighter bullets. I may well try them in my CZ 550 American in 7x57mm. These 7mms are awesome and the CZ is a perfect fit for them. I use my 7mm for anything New Mexico has to offer that I can draw out on too. I have never shot anything but 160 grain class bullets and H414 in my rifle. The combo has been fantastic, but I would always like to try other combinations. Tom Purdom  | |||
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Thats a mild load of H414 in a long throated rifle and it seems to me someone said the CZ 7x57 is a very long throated rifle, is that correct?? I can seat a 160 gr. BarnesX to the base of the neck or even a bit further out in my Brno 22F..Looks like a no. 2 pencil sticking out of a that case... | |||
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Thanks for the replys gentelmen. And Thanks for the link to your company, Yes it is a long throated rifle. I used the Tripple shock and all three groves are visable above the case mouth. I uped the charge to 50 grains and loaded 7 rounds, seated jst a little deeper. My plan is to chroney one round and shoot 2 three shot groups.those X bullets are a little steep for experementing. I think I will load 1 round at 51 grains and if that apears safe I will load the next batch at 51.5. Do you have any hunting trips available in your neck of the woods ? I live in Portland, and I have cousins all over Idaho in the Herford cattle buisness... ...tj3006 | |||
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God the pain....why now after you board members forced me to buy a cz 9.3x62 do I now want a 7x57mm cz !!   | |||
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PC There's no hope for you mate!  | |||
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Your right...I ought to book into a psych unit now and be done with it | |||
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Quote: Hey tj3006, That is indeed a strange problem. First off let me say I've no reason to doubt your word. The problem is that your scope is defying some basic Physics Laws. When a rifle is fired as we all know, it starts recoiling in the opposite direction of the moving Bullet - "rearward". But, the scope tries it's best to remain where it was at the time of the shot (Objects at rest resist movement blah, blah). Due to that, when a scope is able to slip in either the Rings or Bases, it typically looks as if it has moved "forward" after the shot. I do know spring powered air rifles have an "oscillation" effect which can destroy scopes intended for recoil in one direction. But, I've just never heard of a scope slipping "rearward" in the mounts during recoil. And, I also have experienced "Scope Eye", but that was my fault for shooting at a strange angle from my normally off-side shoulder with a 350RemMag. That scope did move "rearward", but it didn't move in the mounts! By the way, I'm familiar with the Burris "Z-Rings" which are designed for use with Weaver style "cross-slot" bases. I thought the Z-Rings had a bolt that fits inside the cross-slot which prevents them from being able to move from that spot unless the bolt is removed from the Z-Rings. Is the bolt above the cross-slot? What kind of Rings are you using? ... So, can anyone help me understand how tj's scope is moving "rearward" due to recoil? | |||
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Hot Core I don't have the physics for you...But my brother had the same problem on a slug gun.The scope came off and it did scope ring his eye.Today it's funny,but the day it happened he did bleed like a pig.I think he had cheap mounts/rings and they were loose. Jeff | |||
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Could it have been that the scope hit you during the recoil and then was knocked loose? Same result, knot on head, loose scope but true to the laws of physics. | |||
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Bill I don't know as I was spotting and was not watching him shoot.When I turned to ask him were the shot went,as he did not hit a 4x8 sheet of plywood,he was bent over hands on face, blood flowing and the scope was on terra firma.Could be you are right. Jeff | |||
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TJ: If the scope is sliding backwards in the rings, one thing I have done in the past, that I learned somewhere, is to put one layer of electrical tape between the scope and the rings. Then tighten her down. That normally will eliminate any scope shift on recoil., and also can protect the finish on the scope if you put the sticky side of the tape on the ring side of the contact points. I do remember I had seen this done on some big kicking Weatherby ( like a 340 or up). PS: I was thinking about checking out hunting over in Idaho this coming season also, since the deer population of black tail is almost like they are becoming extinct down this way. Cheers and Good shooting seafire | |||
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PC, I'll do it for free!! Always ready to help out a fellow hunter!! Terms and conditions apply, offer may not be available in your state. Not available to persons under the age of 18. Proof of age may be required. Attractive, single females under the age of 35 are exempt from the above restrictions. Girls, go for it!! | |||
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Quote: I had a 550 FS in 7x64 with Warne rings. Never had that problem. Can't imagine the actual scope slipping on a 7x57. The Warne rings are vertically split. Did you use Burris Z-rings on your 550? | |||
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Hey Jeff, The old "Scope Eye" seems to get a lot of us if you shoot enough. I watched a Deer for about 40min that morning before it got light enough for me to count points. This particular place has a "Slot Protection" for 4, 5, 6 and 7 pointers. They encourage taking the Spikes and 3 pointers to keep them out of the gene pool. I do know that is contraversial, but that is the way it is there. ANYWAY, it had been legal killing time since I first spotted this Deer, but we had a heavy overcast and I was in a canopied swamp. So, it was fairly dark. As I finally could determine it was a "shooter", I noticed the scope was a bit close. Even hesitated on the shot thinking about the scope being able to "possibly" reach me. Decided it wouldn't knock me out and thumped him with an old Original Fred Barnes 200gr bullet with the 0.032" copper tubing jacket. Noticed a bit of blood, held a wrag on it for awhile and it quit bleeding. Got the Deer drug to the truck and back to the skinning rack. As I was unloading the Deer, my buddies wife came walking up with a Country Ham Biscuit and the look on her face took me by surprise. She thought I had to be nearly dead with all the blood on my face, but I'd nearly forgotten about it. Looked in a mirror and it was like something out of a scarey movie. Two aspirins, a small band-aid and a couple more Ham Biscuits fixed it though. So, I can recommend Country Ham Biscuits to help fix it up. ... I'd suspect Bill Mc got it correct about your brother and his scope. | |||
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Hey PC: This is Tom Purdom over here in Grants, New Mexico. The reason board members feel the way they do about the 7x57mm and the CZ line is: because it is the right thing to do! That little 7 is one awesome cartridge. Trying to find a CZ 550 Full Stock may be a bit of a trick. My brother and his friend each own one in that caliber after I talked my bro into getting one. The CZ cat doesn't list the Full Stock in 7x57mm any more, but I was told by a CZ rep that CZ will, once again some time down the road, produce a run of CZ 550 Full Stocks in 7x57mm, but she didn't give any idea when. The CZs do have a very long throat, and has a euro twist barrel of 1x8.66, which means it will stabilize the longer bullets the best, but the fellow who began this post seems to be getting okay accuracy with the lighter bullets, but he didn't talk about his seathing depth. Anyway, have a wonderful time over in Australia. By the way, that 7x57mm with a 162 grain Hornady SST makes an awesome pig combo. Tom Purdom  | |||
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Wow Lots a catchin up ta doo ! sorry if I miss any body First I did use ZEE rings, They do have a cross bolt, There is no corrisponding slot on the built in rail on my CZ. The scope did not slide in the ringes , the rings slid off the Rail. I think I follow the phisics thing In thery the scope wouuld sit stii while the rifle recoiled to the rear so the rings should have slid forward. I wish they had. But I was'nt hurt hell I put it back on and Kept shootin till it did it again ! I mounted it a third time with a great big screw driver and I am prety strong little guy, it stayed on this time but when I got home I grabed it buy the scope body and gave a health tug and off it came, CZ mounts are orderd and the ZEE rings are on my Parker Hale 25,06 ...tj3006 | |||
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Tom, I had a hell of a drama importing a 9.3x62 cz as it is not a stocked line had a big wait from my dealer mate !! I wish a few full stocks where bought in, I would even purchase a second 9.3 cz in a full stock model. How long before they make more 7x57's Tom...any definate timeline ?? | |||
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Hey TJ, Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Thanks for clearing that up about the Rings and Bases. Now I understand the Rings you were using just weren't the right ones for the rifle. Once the Z-Rings lost their grip, I can also see now how the scope(and attached Rings) could come sliding back at you "once" the barrel was up in the air due to the recoil. Or, maybe Physics only works on "Made in USA" rifles! ... The good ne..no make that great news is, you should be able to reduce your groups by a CONSIDRABLE amount once you get the correct Rings. Best of luck to you! | |||
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I am afraid I would,nt know. This is my first CZ. I really like the caiber so far.The 9.3 x Whatever it is, is a popular subject on this site. It would probably be great in a Full stock. I akready have.338 win mag in a model 70 and I have a .35 whelen being built on an old military mauser so I think so far I will pas on a 9.3. when ever I get around to buying another rifle, it might well be another CZ in 300 win, but migt be somthing else all together. ...tj3006 | |||
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