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Neither, get an 8x57IS or 9.3x62. Yeah, this is a "Pork Chop" vs. "Steak" response. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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I am just not a big fan of Rugers. Good value but I have never been happy with one yet so my answer is based on the rifle more than the cartridge SSR | |||
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Both cartridges are in kind of a redundant place, IMHO. The .338 WM is a great cartrige, but I don't need one. A .375, or in my opinion better, a .416, will do virtually anything a .338 will do. Give me a .30-06 (or a .300 mag of some discription -- even better), a .375 H&H (or a .416, evem better) and a .45 calibre or bigger rifle (we're not talking .45-70) and you don't need much else. | |||
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Nope. Don't want either one. 9.3x62 for me. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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neither 338wm. | |||
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I guess it's all in what you want to do with it. Are you looking for something with a bit more zing then an '06 in a slightly larger caliber? Are you looking for something that is just different? Me personally; I had thought of a BAR in 325 WSM would just be different and probably fun with no specific purpose in mind. If long actions are not your cup of tea, choose whichever. Either should be fun to shoot. Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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Agreed. To fill a spot between 308 and 375, I don't see any reason to go WSM, RCM, RSAUM, etc. unless you just need the latest "wow" factor. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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nope.....338 RUM ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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IMHO the 338RCM is superior to the 325WSM for these reasons: 325WSM is only a 8mm and to close to 30cal to be of substantial benifit. If you reload you will find a better selection in 338 then 8mm "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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 The 8X57IS, when loaded to adult pressure levels is superior to the 30-06 when bullets of 200gr or more are employed. .015 more bore in a smaller case to boot! And... the 8mm is too close to the 338 to be of substantialy less benefit. Why is it that .015" of bore makes no difference going from .308 to .323 while adding .015 more by going to .338 makes all the difference? In a short action, the the 338 RCM is going to have a hard time utilizing bullets over 200gr while still maintaining any MV advantage. The 200gr 8mm bullet will have better BC & SD. The 325 WSM will blow away the 338 RCM for DOWNRANGE energy & flat trajectory. If Amercan shooters/hunters would get their collective heads out of their A$$ES & recognize the true potential of the 8mm bore, there would be more bullet choices available in 8mm on this side of the pond. I would dare say that in Europe, there are probably more 8mm bullet choices than 338. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I'm sure it will handle them fine with a muzzle velocity between 2600-2700 fps AND let's not forget very high BC. For all practical purposes what one will do on big game, the other will do. The 338RCM does give you more bullet choices. That is just a fact. | |||
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I would agree w/ WJ on this. For years I was hammered by other hunters for useing 8x57 (.323 is the norm, so that is what I am concerned with) One guy I know, a real prick bought a .325SM and was boasting about how great it was. 175gr is as heavy as he can shoot. When I asked him how he liked his 8mm he got all bent out of shape and stated it had nothing in common w/ an 8mm. Except the bullet it uses??? He could have picked up an 8mm Rem mag that was FS in great shape for less then 1/2 of what he paid. This is the same moron that busted my chops about 6.5x55 and the goes and buys a .260. If most folks actually knew what they were talking about, I might be slightly impressed. I have never had an issue getting within 400 yards of game. Hey RustyD, make sure you send this to Dluke and Wells. Thanks for being a wimp on hunting chat!!! | |||
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First, set aside all the crap about these new cartridges don't do anything my old XYZ cartridge doesn't do...if that were the case we wouldn't have a new cartridge since 1925 when the 270 win came out. The 325 WSM is an outstanding cartridge. The knock on the 30-06 is not quite big enough and the knock on the 338 is that it is too big for every day use. The 325 WSM splits them right in the middle and is a fantastic cartridge. You can also throw out that crap about...well yeah if they lose my ammo, you won't find 325 WSM in some back country store. You might not find 25-06, 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 7mm-08, 7x57 280 Rem, 8x57, 338-06, 35 Whelen, 9,3x62 or any of the Weatherby's in back country store either. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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JPat, Did I miss something on this post? I don't think anyone slammed the 325 WSM on this post. The Canadian expressed his opinion about which he thought was better but it's just an opinion. These cartridges are extremely similar. I don't think either has much of an edge on the other. There is nothing wrong with the 8mms either. Some of us like to shoot things a little different which is why I bought a 6.5 Swede and a 9.3x62 and a 338 Federal. The 6.5 is my favorite. Much sexier looking that a 260 rem.  I bought the Federal first or I probably would have bought the 8mm Mauser because it just goes perfectly with the Swede and the 9.3. Now there really is no reason to get one because my 338 Federal and an 8mm Mauser are essentially the same cartridge. Any difference in performance is so slight it wouldn't make any difference. | |||
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2600-2700 MV? My trusty 8X57IS does as good or better than that W/200gr partitions (2730fps) and @ less pressure than either of those now magnums to boot. I would think that anyone that knows how to use Quick Load data & experiments W/some of the new denser powders like Vv N500 series or the Norma MRPs could easily get 2700 FPS from a 325 WSM pushing a 220gr slug. He!! I'd bet I could get 2500 out of my 8X57IS W/220gr pills W/O going over the 60K pressure range. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Scott, my point that was directed to a specific member. It has been a years running feud that has come here since He has. Both he and the owner of the .325 can't grasp that a 100++ year old cartridge is the same animal, reinvented. The big factor is ?x? instead of .??? | |||
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Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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The case capacity of the 8X57 is 63 grains of water. The case capacity of the .338 Ruger compact magnum is 72 grains of water. The case capacity of the 325 WSM is 83 grains of water. Because of the smaller case capacity, the RCM can't equal the WSM. Similarly, the 8X57 can't be made to equal the .338 RCM and this would be especially true because of the smaller bore diameter of the 8X57. And by the way, this thread was about the .338 RCM vs. the 325 WSM so your comments about the 8X57 are pretty much irrelevant. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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The problem is usually the magazine length, not the action length. Standard cartridges can often be loaded and ejected just fine out of short actions if the port is long enough for the empty case. You just have to single load. Perhaps that is just splitting hairs, sorry... | |||
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This is pretty much the trend in Europe with Sako and CZ offering 9,3x62 mm rifles. Here is SA many 9,3x62's are being built on a standard K98 action, whilst both the Sako and the CZ is widely available in shops. The short-cased American offerings of late has not really made an entry in the South African market. For the very same reason more 30-06's are being built than 308 Win's which are better suited on a short-action. Short action - 51 mm cases Intermediate action - 55 - 57 mm cases Standard action - 63 mm, but being stretched to accommodate somewhat longer cases. Action availability is the key driver together with the availability of cases & bullets. Warrior | |||
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I voted 325 wsm. Get one in Winchester Supergrade. Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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an 8x57 is not in the equivalent of a 325 WSM. You can probably push an 200 grn bullet in an 8x57 to 2700 fps and may be a little more in a modern rifle but it is going to be a very warm load. The 325 WSM will do 2850 with a 200 grn bullet and not break a sweat. Personally, I doubt that any animal knows the difference of a 150 fps but to say they are the same is not correct. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Caretaker, while I might be wrong, I don't think they make the Winchester Super Grade in 325 WSM. Guys, this discussion should be more about what you want in a rifle than what you want in a cartridge. Both the .338 RCM and 325 WSM will get the job done. The 325 WSM is the more powerful of the two. You can't get around it. It holds 11 grains more water. However, it is going to generate more recoil. I know guys who have/had 300 WSMs and they complain quite a bit about the recoil. Nevertheless, the 300 and 325 WSMs are great cartridges. Although it is a little smaller, IMHO the 300 and 338 RCMs are a better design, no rebated rim. Hornady and Ruger did not shoot for max velocity but there is still plenty there. What they did do is design a rifle and a cartridge in combination and that, my friends, is way cool. At 6.75 lbs with a 20 inch barrel, Ruger's Compact Magnum rifle is only a bit longer than a lever action 30-30. You just have to pick your poison. I have plenty of rifles that weigh nine pounds plus. I wanted one that was light and handy. If I still hunted elk and was toting a gun around the mountains, the .338 RCM would be the clear winner. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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You need to go back & read my post more carefully. I compared an 8X57 W/200gr bullets @ 2700fps & a 325 WSM W/220gr bullets @ 2700fps. That's hardly saying they are equal. As far as other comments about the 8X57 being irrelvent in this thread? I was trying to point out the effieciency of the .323 bore W/cases of medium capacity. IMO the 8mm bore is much more efficient until case capacity gets beyond that of the WSMs & RCMs. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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WJ, You assume I was responding to your post...I was not. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Your reference to "2700 fps and maybe a little more in a modern rifle" is exactly the level of performance I was quoting so it's easy to see why I was mistaken. Sorry. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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