I just got my first .270 win as a gift. I have a .300 WM that normaly use but I don't know really where to start with this gun.

I need some advice on a load for this gun. It's bolt action and I'm think of putting a 3-10x40 or something like of a scope on it.

This is just another all-round load question but more to the leaning of less expensive but still fits the Deer to maybe black bear load.

I don't have any experience loading this cartridge other than I know it works a well.

Thanks

In my limited experience with loading for a couple of .270 Winchesters (I have more experience with the newer .270WSM), I found they were very easy to load for. Depending on what you are planning to shoot, pick a good bullet (my preference is for Noslers, but many have reported fine results with others)in 130, 140 or 150 gr weight, grab a medium slow to slow burning powder (i.e. 4350, 4831, Reloder 19 or 22 or similar), some large rifle standard primers (some prefer magnum primers, but I got good results with standard CCI or Winchester), and you should be good to go. An old friend of mine used to load his with 55.0 gr of IMR-4350 with either the Sierra 90 gr HP or the Nosler 130 gr Solid Base. Both loads shot to within an inch of each other at 100 yards and the light bullet worked great on varmints while the 130 gr was excellent on deer. The 55 gr of IMR-4350 is maximum with the 130 gr bullet in several loading manuals, so be sure to start lower and work up. Later he arrived at a load of 57.5 gr of H-4831 and found his Ruger Model 77R got even better accuracy. The H-4831 load chronographed at 2966 fps out of a new Savage 110 with 22" barrel, so it could probably be increased somewhat for more performance. Good Luck.

IMR 4350 always worked for me. Try a 140 gr Ballistic tip or Accubond I used to use 52.5 grains but reduce your load by several grains and work up to it. This used to give me .5 MOA in a Rem 700.

4831 and 270 Winchester are like vinalla ice cream and apple pie. As for the scope -get a used 4X Leupold from ebay.

I like a 150gr bullet in the 270win w/ a 2-7x or 2.5-8x scope. Keep the rifle trim and light. I dislike the fast 130gr loads, I find they cause considerable meat damage on med sized game and the 150gr loads shoot plenty flat and perform well on game larger than deer.

Gary

H-4831SC is a good place to start with any .270 Win. Typically, you will find 58-60 gr w/ 130s, 57-59 with 140s, and 56-58 gr w/ 150s max, depending on the gun and characteristics of the bullet. Of the less expensive bullets, I prefer Hornady. I have had good luck with the 140gr BTSP. The 150 Hornady is also a consistently accurate bullet across several .270s I've loaded for. Since bear is on the menu, you might want to opt for the Nosler Partion.

Good Luck,

Lou

I was thinking of using 140-150gr. loads. I hunted with my hunter-ed instructor for many years and he always used a .270 win with 150gr. Partitions and it hit deer very hard, a lot harder than I've seen 130gr. loads hit.

Almost thinking 140gr Accubond and Reloader 22 right now, just to try something different, but who knows.

My limited experience with the 270 has shown me this much. It will almost always shoot to the same point of impact with different bullet weights, and for whatever reason shoots best with flat base bullets. I have always had to do more work (load development) making it shoot boat tails then in any other calibre. Why it seems so I don't know, but I've worked with both pre and post 64 model 70s and Rugers, yet all guns I've played with exhibited this characteristic.
That, and H4831, sums up my 270 experience.

A good 150gr flat base bullet shot at moderate speed makes for a sweet 270 for the game it's intended for w/ in reasonable distances.

My hunting parter goes to great lengths handloading a hyper fast 130 boattail for his 270. He has it nailed down to shooting sub-moa on a regular basis for 3 shot grooups (as long as he lets it cool between shots - it cooks). We were out verifying bullet drop and noticed there was no more than 5" difference at 400 yards between the hyper 130 and the vanilla 150 flat base.

Gary

For a deer and black bear load in the 270 one could do no wrong by using either the Hornady or Speer 150 grain flat based lead tipped pointed bullets on top of 57.0 grains of H4831. I have not used the short cut version yet and see no reason to change. My open country deer load uses 59.0 grains of the same powder and a 130 grain Hornady interlok. This load is a bit destructive at short range though.

61

My 270 loves the Barnes TSX's in 130 and 140, also the Accubonds in 140



IMR4831 OR IMR4350 work well for me


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In my experience, RL22 gives the best velocity/accuracy result in the .270 Winchester, with bullets from 130 to 150 grains. IMR or H 4350 give excellent accuracy, but at a cost in top velocity. IMR or H 4831 give something in between what you can get with RL 22 and the 4350s.

As to bullet weights, choose the type of bullet you want, and then see what weight your rifle tends to like. You can't really go wrong with any weight in the 130 to 150 grain range -- bullets in that range have been used successfully in the .270 to take every game animal native to North America and many others in much of the rest of the world.

What powders do you have on the bench? There are many that work and you necessarily need to go out and buy another.

I shoot my .300 WM a lot with RL22, H4831 and H1000. These are all behind Barnes X, off all the varieties.

I can go get more powder, that's not a problem. I just want to tinker a bit.

I love the Barnes bullet, don't get me wrong, but I want to try a few others. Either a basic 150gr. bullet or some of the premiums in the middle to lower weights.

Thanks, keep the advice coming!

I have a fairly long barrel 270 that likes IMR 7828.

Mind if I toot my horn? The 270 is the first cartridge I loaded and I've loaded up to 9 different ones since 1992. I've got a bit of experience with this one. H4831SC, Re22, Re19, and IMR4350-4831 will all perform very well for you, period.

Because you mentioned bears with a 270, my advice is you give them all the slug you can but the 160 partition, IMO, won't give you much advantage over the 150.

Lean towards the one bullet, one gun. I don't see why a Speer 150 flat base Hotcore or Hornady interloct will not handle anything you intend to hunt with the 270. Unfortunately Sierra does not make a flat base in 150. I've never had bad luck with the boat tails but I've had excellent results with the spitzers.

You can certainly jump on the bonded bandwagon but it isn't necessary. I'm not recommending anything like the partition because you stated you wanted to watch expense, unless you went with the 160, then I think the partition is your only choice.

You want to give a load a try? Buy some 150 Hornady spitzers and H4831SC and have fun. Let us know how long it DIDN'T take to work up a load.

All the info here is good I have shot several 270-s thru the years and every load I tried shot well in all of them
I stayed in the winchester 760 thru the IMR4831
burning rate range.


Really all you need to to is deciede what propellant and bullet you want to kill with.

130-140-150 grainers its all good and they will probably shoot for the most part in the same place up to 300 yards to boot as long as you use the same powder in all of them

Thanks for the info, I was actually wondering about the 150gr. Sierra, in a Boat-Tail. Would this be problem on a bear? This rifle is mostly for Blacktail hunting but where I black tail hunt, there are a lot of bears.

Watch, inevitably, my curse will arise again and the only thing that I will get to shoot well is going to be the 140gr. TSX load I'm pondering about. Barnes just seem to like me, all versions. Maybe I should quit wasting my time.

I shot the Sierra Boatails for years and the always killed,but they always seperated.
They were t he most accurate though!
I would not use this combo on a grizz or brown
bear but a black bear I have killed several
with this bullet.

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Originally posted by Magnum61:
Thanks for the info, I was actually wondering about the 150gr. Sierra, in a Boat-Tail. Would this be problem on a bear?

Potentially, yes. It is my opinion that your risk of undesirable results is higher with this bullet on a bear.

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Watch, inevitably, my curse will arise again and the only thing that I will get to shoot well is going to be the 140gr. TSX load I'm pondering about.

And the problem with this is????

I'd see it as a blessing, not a curse.

From my perspective, you are now on the right track. Of course, I thought you wanted to keep it cheaper. If the TSX is an option, it is my opinion that the 130 or 140 may outperform a standard design bullet in the 150 weight. Certainly in terms of penetration. You should be very comfortable with either a TSX or partition for all of your 270 needs. Some call it "overkill," I call it, peace of mind. Especially with bears.

Yeah, it's not a curse I know but I just don't want a North Fork or Partition fan jumping me about a Barnes consideration. It's just better left alone, I think.

I like both the North Fork and the Partition and if nothing shoots I'll go straight to the 150gr. Partition. I've seen it work a lot and it's very impressive to me but I want accuracy and that bullet has never gone under 1.5" group in any rifle I've seen shoot it. NOT that that is a bad group at all but it's definately the back up.

Actually to please the hardcore Nosler fans, If nothing shot I'd listen to Charlie Sisk and put his words into action,"Load Partitions, Shut-up and go hunting," with any rifle.

My two cents: I'd shoot the 140gr. TSX over the 130gr. just to get the B.C., the velocity is already so much more that other 140's with the TSX.

By the way, like my second quote DOC?

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Originally posted by Magnum61:

By the way, like my second quote DOC?

Yep.

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My two cents: I'd shoot the 140gr. TSX over the 130gr. just to get the B.C., the velocity is already so much more that other 140's with the TSX

What can a guy expect velocity wise with a
tsx over a standard bullet froma 22" barrel
and how come?

Well, I haven't tinkered with the 140's yet, of course. But it's been an average of 100-150+ fps gain by what I've heard from others and from Barnes Tech lab also, but it's because you add more powder because of reduced pressures from the triple shocks.

It will basically put the 140's in semi-hot 130gr. load velocities, so well over 3,000 fps.

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Originally posted by cal30 1906:
What can a guy expect velocity wise with a
tsx over a standard bullet froma 22" barrel
and how come?

cal06

I have pushed my 270 hard with the Barnes TSX and have regularly chrony'd 3200 fps with the 140 and 3300 fps with the 130.

Looking back on my spreadsheet I see one group of 4 shots in the 130 grain that were chrony'd at 3304, 3341, 3316, 3287 for an average of 3312 fps. That group shot a .5" group. TSX's shoot best when shot just under MAX, and I'm not talking about book MAX.

I think I might have a fast barrel and the barrel has had about 500 shots through it. It is a Sako so I think the barrel is about 22".


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but it's because you add more powder because of reduced pressures from the triple shocks.

Are they coated? Undersized?

The XLC's are coated and do reduce pressures but on the TSX'a there are multiple rings cut into the shank of the bullet to reduce surface area when going down the barrel.

Althouhgh the bullet that created the .270 Win's consideable reputation was the 130gr, the 140gr SPBT has, in my view, made a great calibre even greater. Loaded to around 3,000 fps, its high BC gives roughly the trajectory of the 130gr load but has the retained energy of the 150gr load. What more could you ask for. This just has to be the bullet for the .270 Win in the 21st century.



My rifle (a Winchester pre 64 M70 fwt) has a distinct preference for H4350 (Oz equivalent AR2209) and the flat base of SPBT bullets (does not like SSTs).

Cheers & God bless,
Magnum308

I have had great luck with H4831 in my .270's . have always used 130 grain Hornady's or Remington Core lokt's for deer hunting with great sucess. Am looking at the 140 grain bullet as a go forward bring myself up to date bullet.

Powders: H4831, IMR 4350, Rel 22
Bullets: Whatever you have had success with the past.

I have had some pretty good results with the Hornady 130 gr IB. I was impressed with the lack of meat damage in the deer I have shot with them compared to the Hornady 130 SP and 140 BTSP.

One of the guys that does some custom ammo reloading likes the Barnes TSX's and Nosler Accubonds.

A cheap way to go would be to pick up some Remington Cor-lok bullets.

Thumbs up on RL_22 I use 59.0 grains + or - .1.
I have not used RL 22 much, but it meters great and my .270 likes it. I like 140 gr. Interbonds
Judge Sharpe

One other thing I have been pondering is to use the Barnes 110 gr TSX. I think they will work wonderfully for deer/antelope size game.

For an all around load, I would use a 140 gr (controlled expansion) bullet. That would be able to tackle anything the 270 is capable of tackling.

Its is nice to see all this gentlemanly agreement concerning loads...one of the many virtues of the 270 and those that shoot it!!

I use 51 gr of Reloder 19 with a 140 gr Nosler Ballistic tip. Works real good for me.

H or IMR-4831 and the .270 go together like milk an honey...I still use a supply of old army surplus 4831 from a 150 lb. stainless steel military drum in a wooden box marked US ARMY, the stuff that O'connor used...I use 61 to 62 grs of it for fantastic velocity but its not hardly available anymore....

A friend just opened a drum like you describe and gave me a 30 caliber ammo can full of it. Any idea how much of it to put under a 150 grain partition?