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quote:Just about every state has court rules that provide for sanctions for a party that does not prevail and, at least in Michigan, there are no punative damages. | |||
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Mr. 460Wby, "Surprisingly intelligent", eh? Just what is it about American intelligence that surprises you? [ 05-12-2003, 02:09: Message edited by: Big Redhead ] | |||
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It amazes me how many people reply without either thinking or reading. Mr Allen Day says that Mr 460wby said that he hates American Rifles. Looking at the title of the post anyone with an average IQ can see that what it says is "what I hate with American rifles". It seems to me that we all have things that we hate about American rifles: 10 lb triggers; impressed checkering; piss poor bluing; cheesy, plastic, open sights that fall off when the rifle is fired because they were never actually intended to stay on the rifle; scope base holes that are misaligned. I hate all of those things that happen too often on American Rifles and I would bet you all do to. So maybe we should all stop buying American Rifles? I don't think so. Think about it. Sean | |||
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I own several American made rifles. All of them have cut checkering and perfect blueing and I like them. Yes, there is some junk dumped on the market and called firearms, but it's not hard to recognize. Just don't buy the junk. The better guns are a terrific bargain when compared to guns from most European and Scandanavian countries. I agree that the warnings stamped on the barrel are ugly. Let me know if any need help identifying the good Ameriacn rifles. I've been sorting through them for 30+ years. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} Live well. | |||
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Big RedHead, Are you talking about custom rifles or producton rifles? | ||
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DLS, I'm talking about production rifles. Custom jobs are a little beyond my means. Okay, here, in no particular order, are some good American rifles: 1- Current production Winchester M70. 2- Pre-'64 Winchester M70, although not better than current production. 3- Ruger #1. 4- Ruger M77. 5- Marlin 1895 and others. 6- Weatherby Mark V. These are all mainstream guns. I own/have owned multiples of each and they are just great rifles. The most expensive is the Weatherby. I bought a brand new in the box Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in 30-06 for $1280 USD plus 6% tax. It was an awesome gun in every way. It was so beautiful that I was scared to take it hunting for fear of marring the finish, so I traded it for a used Weatherby Mark V Sporter in 30-06. This is quite possibly the most perfect rifle ever invented, in my opinion. The action is smooth as silk and fast as lightning (55� bolt arc), it weighs 6 pounds with a 24 inch barrel, and it puts 3 Speer 180 grain Hot-Cors into 2 inches at 300 yards - yes 300 full yards. I am extremely happy with it. Yes, I had to touch up the bedding a little. Ruger #1 rifles are possibly the most elegant and beautiful rifles available, especially the #1A with it's Alexander Henry style forend and trim 22 inch barrel. My #1A 7x57 is an absolute joy to shoot with 160 grain Speer Hot-Cors over IMR4350 (sorry, but it's a Ruger-only load and I don't want anyone hurt, especially me). I still have not determined it absolute accuracy potential, but it is far below MOA. My #1S 45-70 is a beast that shoots MOA as well. I had a #1H in 375 HH just long enough to decide I don't like guns that heavy. It shot good too. I really like American guns. I like some other guns too. Come to think of it, I just like guns. Does anyone else here really like them? Live well. | |||
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quote: ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} I'm aware I was a little too "big-mouthed". This is'nt my tru opinion. This was just to make a little fire. And I belive the most of you understood that.But when you read the text on some of these barrels, someone must think that you're not(?). No hard feelings? | |||
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quote:#1 Yes that is my opinion, but not because I can't handle a piece of crap WBY MK-V 460 WBY MAG. I handle rifles daily that will make that UGLY PUSHFEED PIMPMOBILE style rifle, look like a ill ballanced railroad crosstie! IMO, a cartridge, and rifle combination, that is as useless as tits on a boar hog! #2 Your right, that says it all, but it doesn't say what you think it says! I'd dearly love to buy that rifle for what it is really worth, and sell it for what you paid for it! I would have another cape buffalo trophy fee, on the profit, and be rid of an illconceived rifle and cartridge in the process. #3 wasn't posted to me, but was posted about me, so here goes another opinion! To me, it is quite evident you think your intelligence is, very high,above the rest of the rest of the folks on this forum. That being the case, why do you bother to associate with us at all? If thinking buying a Wby MK v chambered for 460 Wby Mag, indicates intelligence, then there are a lot of folks that are not so smart. I happen to think they are the smart ones, however! | |||
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fredj338- If the pizza delivery guy runs you over (in his rush to beat the 30 minute time limit for delivery imposed by his employer) and puts you in a wheel chair for the rest of your life; are you going to say "aw shucks- that's ok" or are you going to hire some blood sucking attorney and be thankful the pain and suffering limits and punitive damage limits aren't $10,000.00? BTW I am a Trial Judge. I was elected, not appointed. I have, and will in the future, when appropriate, assess costs for frivolous actions or defenses. | |||
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No acy, I'm probably going to find a really good bloodsucker to rep. me., but how can you equate that w/ the trial lawyers who brought the tobacco industry under fire (I don't smoke BTW)or who are attacking the gun industry? Put this another way; if I was driving my car, dropped a cigerette in my lap, swerved into a light pole & ended up in a wheel chair, do I sue the cig. manuf., the car manuf. or the city who put the light pole there. Then I think it's an aw shucks, my bad, my stupidity, my fault. That is what is happening out there & you know it. ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} I never stated there should be a limit on damages, but damages are way out of line only because the lawyer takes 30-40%! If you are fat & eat @ McDonalds, don't sue McD's. when you have a heart attack. That's the stuff that just chaps everyones ass about the legal system. You guys, lawyers & Judges could fix it yourself if you wanted to. So why don't you want to? Turn down the obvious crap case. Throw out the obvious crap case. Stop looking into YOUR bottom line & think about what it's doing to our society. While a lawyer is a necessity @ times, so is a proctologist. They both work on the ugly side of things, but the world would definetly be a better place w/ some type of reform. To deny this is being dishonest w/ yourself. Like I said, look in the mirror every day & ask if you are doing the right thing. BTW, if you are a trial judge, why do judges allow so many frivelous law suits? Not everyone or every case should get their/it's day in court. Again, sorry for the bashing but I think most people feel the same way. Maybe it's time to start a little sole searching? [ 05-12-2003, 23:56: Message edited by: fredj338 ] | |||
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DEAR MacD37. I'm sorry if your wife just left you, or that you have a tooth-eche, or something like that(?). I've really got your "balls in the slammer" now. You are obviously screaming out, long before you now what you're talking about. My rifle, chambered for .460 Wby, is a custom -buildt Brno ZKK602, with a straight laminate stock, two crossbolts, open African sight, NO muzzlebrake. A beatyful rifle. There is only ONE person that didnt get, that I dont think I'm more intelligent than others, and thats you. I think that says something too! [ 05-13-2003, 01:32: Message edited by: 460wby ] | |||
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This "Lawyer hatred" is, from what I've seen, predominant with Americans. In Italy and much of Europe, lawyers are amongst the most respected member of society, as strange as it may seem to many here. So are accountants, and they just don�t �get� blondes jokes in Italy either� I am in the process of getting a degree in law, my dad is a lawyer and you all want to know what kind of cases we specialize in? Recognition of physical disability and handicap by the State and subsequent economical and practical assistance by right should, be automatic. Unfortunately things just don�t work so well here. So we file against the State, via the various departments found in the clients province of residence for those payments to be made, plus the years that were due but never paid, plus interest. Even getting a �disabled� sticker for your car to entitle you to occupy disabled parking spots comes into it! People often spend years confined to their beds assisted b family members who are force to leave their jobs in order to take care of a cripples relative. Some of these people actually die and never receive their promised funds for medical assistance. In those cases the relatives are represented, plus there should be compensation for the time lost caring for the person. How these people get into these conditions is not important, be it in a car accident, workplace accident, self mutilation if you like, even if they shoot themselves in the foot with a Ruger .460WBY! The �Stato Italiano� professes that it will take care of the sick and needy, but often does not, this is when people turn to a lawyer in order to have their rights recognized. Can someone call this branch of the profession bloodsucking? I don't want to make a stand for lawyers though... I was ripped off by 2 of the bastards 2 years ago for enough money to cover 2 Elephant safaris... ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Could not live without my lawyer.Or bookkeeper. First hand experience has taught me that the wave of "try your luck" -lawsuits has landed in Europe. The topic being "What I hate about..." , I gotta tell you, the only thing I hate is that all those great calibers like 45-70,338,whatever are all too rare in this corner of the world. Means hard to find bullets,if you try something and like shops are out of stock for the next six months etc... also some weird faces when you come with another "too big" gun at the start of the season,again. Until they see how it works. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} My friends in The USA have sent me every single casting mold I have,bullets,brass,stuff like that. So what do I hate about the rifles then? I was talking calibers. Yeah,I don�t own enough of them and they are way overpriced after crossing the pond! [ 05-13-2003, 02:28: Message edited by: Petander ] | |||
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quote:460WBY, please accept my apologies, at least for half my opinion of your rifle! The BRNO rifle is a very good rifle, and it sounds as though you have it set up properly, with the exception of the chambering, which I still think is nothing but a useless "LOOK AT ME" cartridge,that can do nothing that any .458 cartridge can't do as well on game, without all the noise, muzzle blast, and recoil typical of anything connected with Weatherby. Your the one who has to stand behind it though, and I'm happy about that fact. As far as the intelligence thing goes, I seem to remember several people who took you to task about your remark, "Through this forum, I have come in touch with a lot of American friends, and they seem supriseing intelligent!" You were asked what is so supriseing about American intelligence? That wasn't me! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} 460WBY, were you under the misconception that you could make any attack on ANYTHING American, in these terrible days in the world, and not be confronted by any American who read your post. I understand there is a language difference, and sometimes comments are not meant the way they come off to a person from another country. Haveing said that, let me say that in my origenal post, what I said was a joke,posted to Allen, but it got out of hand. It wasn't actually aimed at you at all, but was to illisit a response from BRIAN, with whom, I have a friendly little thing going about Weatherby rifles, and cartridges, He likes them , and I don't, and we both get a kick out of pokeing each other about them. The comment was to say,going by your screen name, if Weatherby rifles was what you were buying, you had not bought a typical AMERICAN RIFLE, and a warning stamped on the barrel would be the nicest thing about it! IT WAS A JOKE! There seems to be a lot of back and forth between people from the Nordic countries, and Americans, and the only thing I can figure is we are simply two very different societies, and just seem to conflict, verbally, or at least I seem to! I'll drop this here, as it isn't worth talking about further! Good day Sir! ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Mike. It pleases me to see that we're back "on line"! The thing about our different experience in the english language can be a dangerous trap, of course. But I dont think we are all that different when it comes to patroism. And that we both can handle a good verbal fight. I have a lot of relatives over in the US, and I'd love to come over sometime to visit.Peace!! Take care, Mike. | |||
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460WBY, my doughter in law is Norwegeon (spl), her maiden name was Torkelson, and her grand mother came from Norway. Her father, and mother, who live in Minnesota, speak the langague! World is getting smaller! | |||
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There are some bad clergymen, policmen, car salesmen and I even know a bad barber...C'mon judging someone you don't even know by his trade is ridiculas... I'm going to judge everyone I know by his deeds or maybe his color, I like pink people best! ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Not much else to say here about the legal profession, but I'll weigh in. I'm a second generation MD practicing in the Atlanta area. I have three daughters, and I hope they all go to Law school. I am a little worried about who will be taking care of the sick folks in the future, but hey once you've "been around the barn" a few times, you realize that the lawyers write the rule book so that they win. Don't want to get too bitter here, but I've just paid $60,000 in legal fees to win a lawsuit, and it just leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. I think the goat hunt this fall will just about relieve the tension. Don | |||
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MacD37's favorite pimp-o-matic rifle:  I LOVE Weatherbys. PS: CRF is about as useless as tits on a boar hog. [ 05-17-2003, 07:58: Message edited by: Orion 1 ] | |||
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ultra-shiny-urethane-pimp-o-matic  Enjoy Mac | |||
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push-feed-dangerous-game-safari-pimp-o-matic  CRF sucks | |||
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Orion 1 As you know our rate of disagreement is high on the political forum, but not so on the gun forum The Weatherby is certainly the most pleasing rifle to the eye and that is demonstrated when rifles are shown to non gun owners, who have no pre conceived or pre formed views. Now that the 460 has the optional floor plate that allows 3 round magazine it should be the number one big bore for the dangerouse game. The in line feed gives the most reliable results, especially if very blunt bullets are used. All the postings that say the 416 Rigby is better than the 416 Remington because of being able do 2400 at lower pressure must apply equally to the 460 and the 458 Lott. The very heavy bolt means the chances of short stroking are much lower than is the case for a Mauser style bolt. Thta heavy bolt provides a flywheel effect on the feed, chambering and extraction cycle Like all push feeds the extractor also adds a twisting factor to the extraction cycle. Ever notice that when pulling a cork from a bottle people both twist and pull at the same time. We all know that apply the brakes of a car while in a corner is bad as now the braking effect adds to the tyre loading and increases the chances of grip being broken. If you had a 460 in the Safari grade you illustrated and a 30/378 in a Crown Custom style gun it would make you feel like getting a Chev Corvette Mike | |||
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Orion 1 , I understand this forum is mostly adult visited, but there are some kids who lurk here! Though we are very liberal, here, I don't think you should post such porn here without a XXXX rateing in the title so parental blocks can be put in place to keep the kids from seeing such trash! Sereously, nice pictures, poor subject! [ 05-17-2003, 19:16: Message edited by: MacD37 ] | |||
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Well alright. Let me tell you about another great American rifle that I bought last Thursday for $150. It's a 1903 Springfield, sporterized stock, Lyman 57SME rear sight and globe front. This gun is pure joy to shoot. It's action is smooth as glass and it puts the slugs right in there at a hundred. It feeds and ejects flawlessly. I have some prettier rifles, but this old warhorse and I are destined to become very good friends indeed. Live well | |||
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It sounds like MacD37 is saying that Weatherby rifles are too sexy to show here. Well, I agree they are definitely among the sexiest rifles on this planet, although I once saw a little Dakota model 10 in 280 Rem that rates right up there. Talk about expensive rifles! It escapes me why that little falling block single shot costs around $4000! I could buy several Weatherbys for that, or a bunch of Ruger #1s.Live well | |||
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