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Originally posted by Finman:

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Originally posted by mho:
Wow, an Indian "Sauer" - that is new to me!

Same as I wouldn't go to Germany for a curry...

I go to my kitchen in Colorado, USA!

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:
Well Savage is no longer the ugliest gun on earth!

You want the number to my optometrist?

Just off the phone with the Sauer USA folks. This is obviously a very poor copy. Apparently, the action does not have the same smooth features and refinements of the real thing. The quality is just not there. If someone wants a counterfeit product like this, it's their choice. Kinda of like buying a counterfeit Rolex or Ferrari; you get what you get. These "copies" do not say Sauer on them anywhere, and Sauer has not authorized their production. Mike

FN didn't license India to copy the FAL but that didn't stop Ishapore from doing just that.
No surprise they're making a knock-off of another rifle.

I have personally handled one it felt tinny and is pretty crappy!

But in the land of the blind, one eyed man is king. India has banned the import of all sporting rifles for several years now, so there is a huge demand for anything thats half decent.

A brand new condition USA made Ruger 30-06 bolt action sells for $12,000. YES I will spell it twelve thousand dollars. Lots of new money now in India, willing to pay crazy money for cheap guns!

By the way Rodda guns were english made guns for the Indian market, they were not made in India as someone else posted.

That was me and I have seen references to Rodda guns made in India, but, I cannot recall the exact source. I seem to remember these were largely hammer guns, 8-12 bores meant for shooting large game such as Elephants, Tigers and so forth.

I am aware that Rodda also had British-made guns for sale in "dear old Injah", but, some seemed to have been made "in country".

In any case, given the other artistic accomplishments of Indian and Chinese workers, there is no reason why they cannot build sporting rifles as well as anyone else and that was my point here.

I suspected immediately that this Indian rifles was nothing but an illegal and cheep copycat of the original and fabulous Sauer.

"Would you like a Slurpie with that today"

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Originally posted by Bear in Fairbanks:
Looks as if it was hammer forged and pieced together in some mud hut. I wouldn't get caught dead with that thing.
Can you spell "Butt Ugly"?
Bear in Fairbanks

"Butt Ugly"? Do you think it is even that good looking? You would have to put a bag on your head just to walk outside with one of those.

The Indian Ordnance Factories are among the biggest idea thieves anywhere, in addition to being some of the worst gunmakers as well.

IIRC the Sauer 200 and 202 rifles involved the patents of German gunsmith Manfred Orth in their design. I don't know if anyone here knows Herr Orth, but if someone does, it might be a good idea to inform him and have him sue the IOF jokers for their thievery. India is a signatory to international patent and copyright agreements and it would be good to make the IOF pay for what they have done. Thieves deserve to be punished. I hope Mr Orth and Sauer make it a point to take these purloiners to task.

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Originally posted by reddy375:


By the way Rodda guns were english made guns for the Indian market, they were not made in India as someone else posted.

Arjun,

Rodda did make guns in India as did Lyon and Lyon, Manton, the Daw companies and several others. These were mostly assembled from components imported from Birmingham and the USA during the Raj era and later from Spain etc until imports were banned in 84.

I used to know the descendants of the Rodda business in the UK. BTW the marque still lives under Indian ownership as does Manton (Daw used to exist some years ago - no idea if they still do) though none of these companies make any guns these days. I did try to get them to offer copies of their ledgers to my UK contact some years back but they did not bother to reply to my communication. When a journalist contact from The Statesman spoke to them, they replied that they didn't check their e-mail.

Good hunting!