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Cheers All! So I just walked back up to the house after running the first handful of CEB Raptors thru my 9.3x74R. So far, so good...but I was only stalking paper and steel this afternoon! Since I'm a natural-born troglodyte, I tend to view new stuff like CEBs with healthy skepticism at best (and usually something more closely resembling outright contempt!) until proven to my satisfaction in the field. Still, I'm trying to drag myself more into this century, and sticking my toe into the CEB waters seems a reasonable place to start... So I'm looking for folks with honest-to-goodness, real world experience on GAME with these bullets. No "I think they'll do wonderfully", or "the manufacturer says", please. I can guess and conjecture with the best of 'em! I'm looking for stuff that fell over and died after meeting either 9.3 CEB Raptors or Solids. No paper or chronograph results, please! Terminal performance on game...what have you seen? Thanks in advance, Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | ||
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While I have zero experience with the 9.3 and CEB's, everything else in .375 to .500 NE with the CEB's has either dropped right there or gone such a short distance, it's not to be believed. Try'em, you'll like the performance. | |||
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Thanks! Yeah, I've heard wonderful stuff about just about every other caliber CEB offering but 9.3. So the temptation is certainly there to trust 'em "by association"... Problem is, trust ain't my long suit! So I'm hoping somebody will jump in and go, "Here, check these out...see, they kill just as well as the other CEBs"! Just out of curiosity, have you tried any in your Chapuis? Thanks! Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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I shot a warthog and an impala with a 9.3 B&M last November in South Africa. The warthog did a 360 and then four legs stuck up out of the cloud of dust. The Impala was quartering away so I shot far back rib cage and it destroyed the off side front shoulder and it went about 30yds. We were shooting the 210gr CEB Raptors. | |||
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Are there no examples in Michael's various posts? I know he has taken a lot of game with the 458 and up. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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My first question is what are you hunting? I imagine any 9.3 bullet at moderate speeds working great on just about anything. If you are talking dangerous game, I'd wouldn't blame you for wanting some feedback on performance. | |||
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Thanks all, Roan and sable will be the intended targets for my 9.3x74R if it makes the cut for Zambia in July. No dangerous game for this rifle...my comfort level BEGINS at 300 grains for stuff with an irritable disposition. My previous sable combo was a .375 H&H w/ 300 Nosler Partitions at 2500 and, while absolutely effective, it made me a believer in the tenacity of sable (and, by extension, roan). Hence my requests for others experience... I've ordered additional 255 grain Raptors as well as some of their new .366 TSG (Thick Skinned Game) 255 grain Raptors to check out as well. Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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Since you are using a double rifle, I was wondering .... You could add the poly tip to the 255 gr bullet without worrying about COL. That will give the ability to shoot out to 200 meters. Just a thought. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I think your concerns are unfounded. See rule #2 Why would 9.3 CEB perform any different than the 375 CEB or a 358 CEB? Why would a 210 338 grn partition launched out of a 338-06 perform any different than a .323 200 grn partition launched out of an 8x57? This stuff is not voodoo it's physic applied to biology. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I personally witnessed Michael McCourry shoot a number of Asiatic buffalo with his 9.3 B&M and the 255gn Raptors and, although I prefer a much heavier caliber when specifically hunting buffalo, they did do the job without too much fuss. The effects of these bullets on buffalo would lead me to believe you may actually have too much bullet for soft skinned game and may be better served by the 210gn Raptor at higher velocity. These bullets LOVE velocity ! Best of luck. | |||
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That is why I use a lot of 9.3s; they don't need no fancy bullets; they kill just fine with the standard old lead and copper ones. I have no use for the new stuff. | |||
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Hey Mike! I fully agree with your "Rule 2"...when those are the parameters at play. In this instance, the delta between 375/300/2500 and 366/255/2150 is, to my mind, approaching being significant. Thanks Paul! So if 255s settle water buff @ B&M velocities, I think I could get comfortable with them on roan/sable at my 74R regulation velocities. DPCD, I hear you...and I'm a big believer in "dancing with who brung you"! Still, I can be coerced into trying something new on occasion provided I am confident that it'll perform within my operating envelope. Thanks to everyone for their responses, Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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I've shot exactly 5 animals with a 145 gr CEB ESP Raptor in .308 out of a 300 Win Mag. Four being whitetails and the fifth a blue wildebeest. The wildebeest was shot at 82 yards at a slightly quartering away angle. Bullet was placed in the crease behind the shoulder angling the bullet to the point of the off shoulder. At the shot, the bull bucked, kicked and ran. A short 30 yards follow found the old bull piled up. I asked the skinner after he had taken care of the animal about the interal organs. He said he didn't like the "special" bullets because they were too messy. He said the heart and lungs were not recognizable and in pieces. As a side note, the bullet shank did not exit the bull and was not recovered. I saw similar results on one of the whitetails with her heart literally in pieces. I found a total of 5 recognizable pieces when field dressing. It was also interesting to typically find pieces of the bullet petals in the opposite rib cage and hide. I have several pieces around here somewhere. I would suspect that similar results could be found with the 9.3 on roan or sable provided you do your part. Good luck! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by graybird: ...provided you do your part. /QUOTE] Wait...what? Do you mean to suggest that I bear some measure of responsibility for the outcome of a shot? I thought personal accountability was a thing of the past!  Heck, maybe we're approaching this hunting stuff all wrong...maybe instead of trophies we could all get a ribbon for "participation". Naw. On further consideration, I think I'll just stick to sight picture and trigger squeeze...I mean, it's worked well up to now! Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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