Any 9.3 x64 owners or general fans here? Just after opinions on good action/rifle starting points to get one of these up and running. Not too particular on any specifics, the gun will be worker level, not high end. Main provisos a 24-26" barrel, standard 30-06 length crf action, and option to redesign the magazine if need be for at least 5 down. Would consider converting an existing factory 9.3x62 or starting from the ground up. Any general comments on the caliber welcomed.

Any CRF .30-06 action would lend itself to the conversion, so it depends on what actions you have access to and how much you want to spend.

I've always favored a Mauser 98 action but a CRF Model 70 would be fine too. Th e 5 round magazine will probably be easier to accomplish with a model 70.

A very effective round. I've shot everything from Norwegian roedeer and moose, to African plains game with mine. The 286grs bullets (NP, Woodleigh and Oryx) are effective on the lager species, while the 250grs Swift and Rhino have been a great succes on longer distance. At 2600-2700fps the 286 are very effective on any game. The 300grs Swift and 320grs Oryx/Woodleigh will do the trick on Buffalo.

Mine is built on an Oberdorf military action, 4 round capacity.





M

how does recoil compare to a 375 H&H?

About simular. Most 9,3 rifles are made a bit lighter than a 375, but the slightly lighter bullets and less powderload(4-7grs) make them about equal.

M

Beautiful Rifle, Metric, Who did the work?

The easiest is to get a CZ550 American in 9.3X62 rechamber it and open the bolt face/extractor. No feed work should be needed. It may or may not hold 5 down with the X64 case. 4 will be no problem without modification, though it may hold 5 without modification.

I built mine on a Mauser VZ24 action with Lothar Walther barrel. Holds 4 down using 30-06 sized bottom metal.

Metric has a beauty there, no doubt.

I agree that recoil is 375 level. Maybe a little closer to 338 Win with 250gr bullets.

Get RWS brass if you can. Jamison is OK, but it needs trimming and neck annealing right out of the bag. At least my four bags did.

Good luck with the quest. You'll love the cartridge.

Jeremy

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Originally posted by Bren7X64:
Beautiful Rifle, Metric, Who did the work?

Thank's!

A Norwegian gunsmith named Per Arne Vågsland. He specialices in english style rifles and shotguns.

M

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Originally posted by farbedo:
The easiest is to get a CZ550 American in 9.3X62 rechamber it and open the bolt face/extractor. No feed work should be needed. It may or may not hold 5 down with the X64 case. 4 will be no problem without modification, though it may hold 5 without modification.

I have one anyone have an estimated cost for doing the conversion?

Also is their botom metal available to give you 5 or even 6 down?

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Originally posted by Hasher:
I have one anyone have an estimated cost for doing the conversion?

Also is their botom metal available to give you 5 or even 6 down?

I'm currently having a cz 550 in rechambered to x64 and l also supplied some recknagel sights and barrel band to be fitted. Obviously, the barrel will need rebluing. I was quoted around $500.
The gunsmith in question also does a unique latch mechanism for a dropbox and this will be done in the future.He showed me an example that was a 6 shot box for x62.

We seem to daydream along the same lines.

Zastava / Interarms came up in another thread. K-Var, mostly known for AK's is one of the latest in a long line of importers, here's an okay donor. Reports on the stocks are pretty "meh", though.

9.3 Mauser

In keeping with the AK theme, there is a Dragunov/Tiger chambered in the round. Explicitly denied to Americans by executive order. But, it follows that the Russians have to feed it, so there is ammo available.

Brown Bear 9.3x64

Again Brown Bear 9.3

Cheers and Good Luck!

The Barnaul-rounds use steel hulls..
Tried some 9mm Para ammo from this factory last summer - no good...

M

Thanks gents, very nice gun metric thanks for sharing the pic.


I was surprised having received some RWS factory ammo how compact the cases are(esp stood next to a 375 H&H), I guess that was all part of Herr Brennekes plan for action choices.

To the gents who use this cartridge I take it the vibe you get its more of a '375 class gun' than just being a 'slightly bigger than 338'?

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Originally posted by Karl:
Thanks gents, very nice gun metric thanks for sharing the pic.


I was surprised having received some RWS factory ammo how compact the cases are(esp stood next to a 375 H&H), I guess that was all part of Herr Brennekes plan for action choices.

To the gents who use this cartridge I take it the vibe you get its more of a '375 class gun' than just being a 'slightly bigger than 338'?

From 150yards and out it packs a bigger punch with a flatter trajectory with the spitzer 286grs bullet, than a 375 with any 300grainer..

M

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Originally posted by Karl:
To the gents who use this cartridge I take it the vibe you get its more of a '375 class gun' than just being a 'slightly bigger than 338'?

Absolutely.

I have shot quite a number of Buff, scrub Bulls with both 9.3, the 375H&H and the 338WM and the 9.3 is definitely in the 375H&H class.

Much more emphatic than the 338WM.

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Originally posted by wookie76:
Explicitly denied to Americans by executive order. But, it follows that the Russians have to feed it, so there is ammo available.

Yes, but some russian rifles in this caliber may be imported: http://www.thehighroad.org/arc...dex.php/t-79261.html

MTs19-09 is good, but expencive; Los-9 may be interesting (the cheapiest rifle in 9.3x64). But frankly speaking I think it's simplier to rechamber M-98. As I remember, Brenneke made this cartridge in the beginning of 20-th century for German coloniests in Africa as maximal fit for standard army Mauser, without serious rebuilding.
Barnaul plant is army arsenal, so cartridges are simple, reliable and cheap. And they have practically the same trajectory as RWS cartridges with TUG bullet.
Now they make cartridges Centaurus with Hornady bullets, but not in our caliber

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Originally posted by vashper:
...but some russian rifles in this caliber may be imported...

Good point, but the 9.3x64 is a pretty risky gamble for an importer.

I've never been able to determine if the Los 9 was ever imported in this chambering, just the tried and true 30-06 and 308.

I have owned and hunted with both the 9.3x62 and the 9.3x64, both are fine cartridges. You can use any good mod. 98 Mauser, Win. mod 70 or Rem 700 for your rebuild with either round..

The 9.3x64 will beat the 9.3x62 a little, using good handloads in both, by about 100 to perhaps 150 FPS, all things equal and thats not much to get excited over IMO.

The 9.3x64 recoils about like a 375 H&H as far as I can tell. the 9.3x62 recoils considerably less. Americans tend to underload the 9.3x62 a good deal, as the data they are exposed to is out of the 1920s and I suppose there are some old guns around, although I have yet to see one.
Its no trick to get 2400 FPS with a 26 inch barrel and 300 or 320 gr. bullets in a good modern 9.3x62 and 2550 FPS with a 286 gr. bullet.

All that said, I much prefer the 9.3x62, as it accomplishes the same thing on game that the 9.3x64 or the .375 H&H does, and does it in a mild and gentle fashion..

I have become a real 9.3x62 fan over the last 50 years, and must admit to prejudice in that direction..the x62 has earned all my respect. If I need more gun, then I'll go to a 404 or 416.

That said they are all fine cartrides and they all perform as they are supposed to if you do your part. You can't go wrong with any of them

Yes, but this cartridge can be recharged up to 375 characteristics, and to 9.3x62, and remains in the dimension of the usual Mauser. Some years ago RWS recommended their 9.3x64 for buffalo, as their 375, practically the same in energy. Now not, I think because of law restrictions.

404 and 416 - that's a different rifle.

Vashper,
The difference between the 9.3x64, 375 H&H and 9.3x62 loaded to todays moderns specs with todays modern powders relates to less than a couple of hundred feet per second, and in the field they all 3 kill buffalo quite well and one could not tell the difference, has been my experience, and add to that a hot loaded 375 with a 300 gr. bullet at 2650 kills no better on big anmals as a 300 gr. at 2400 FPS if as well...

I see a differnce when you jump to 40 caliber. The 404 and 416 properly loaded to 2400 FPS with a 400 gr. bullet makes a difference, how much I would hesitate to say, but the 404 has been my preference of a big bore for years.

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Originally posted by vashper:
Now not, I think because of law restrictions.

vashper

What do you mean by "law restrictions" ?

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Originally posted by 505G:
vashper

What do you mean by "law restrictions" ?

for example: "If you are hunting any of the Big 5 we recommend a minimum calibre of .375 (which is required by law)" (from http://www.cvsafaris.co.za/?page=Firearms)

OK, thanks.

I thought you might have been referring to being able to get ammo because of the Rusian's
using it as a Sniper round.

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Originally posted by 505G:
OK, thanks.

I thought you might have been referring to being able to get ammo because of the Rusian's
using it as a Sniper round.

In Russia and in Europe there are special limitations about rifles, for example in our country reloading for rifle is a federal crime it's small problem for our benchresters and varminters .
But Russian and German rounds (RWS, Brenneke) 9.3x64 acceptable through licenced shops.
Here some of them:


Here some pics of my MTs19-09:
http://www.maksimov.su/in.php?.../mc19-09/mc19-09.htm

Hello

You have very interesting rifle. Could you tell us more about it ?

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Originally posted by igorrock:
Could you tell us more about it ?

Well, this is really rare bird. It was made on this factory:
http://www.tulatskib.ru/HTML_a/karta_a.html

History is complicated. Many years ago they did MTs13, sport rifle for Olympic games, in 7.62x54R. It was with modified Mosin bolt. And in 60-th Brezhnev asked them to make hunting rifle in .308 a-la Mannlicher. So they took MTs13, designed rotary magazine and own .308 round (!) (in that time it's characteristics were secret). Now it's MTs19-07. There are about 200 such rifles. Later they made MTs19-09 in 9.3x64.
There are some shortcomings - for example only 5-round magazine

- in some countries (as I've heard in South Africa) they are forbidden. Magazine is the only part of light alloy (like Ergal), only steel and wood. Original Mannlicher have today plastic rotary magazine and optionally - usual for 3 (I think) rounds.
Unique mount, trigger with shneller and so on.

Pics were made by my friend near Sochi, where winter Olimpiada will be in 2014. We waited there for brown bear, who visited my friend apiary - but failed.

I'm pretty impressed by the Russian factories picking this round up actually, and using it for military sniping systems as well. Must be ticking a lot of boxes for them.

Thanks for referring !