Set aside 1700 bux for a long range magnum which was obvious choice for a hard hitter as the 300 Remington Ultra Magnum was wonder what rifle would be good to get in the caliber though. Advice would be more then helpful as towards the rifle. Ive already decided apon the scope just the rifle is under consideration been looking at the sako 75 syn stainless and the remington sendero SF let me know your thoughts.

Thanks.

-Mash

I have a Savage 116 in 300 RUM and it's a very accurate shooter. The gun shoots better than I can shoot. I have the stainless steel fluted barrel with the factory muzzle break. The muzzle break really reduces the recoil. I believe the new ones have the new adjustable trigger which is another plus. I had my trigger reworked by a gunsmith and it is very crisp and much lighter than the factory setting.

What about a Weatherby Accu Mark in 300 WBY it will do anything the 300rum will do I get 180gr out at 3308fps. What more 30-378.

Well Joe, I didnt wanna spend 40-100 bux a box of bullets or I would of said weatherby they make excellent overpowered cartridges but the price for the rifle and bullets are horrendous. However the 30-378 is a waste of money unless you like rebarreling every 600 rounds? Anyway the 300 wby 150gr has been just about the flattest shooting 300 ive seen but the cost is that of a reach I can't make excellent rounds though no doubt.

300RUM is that which can make the distance for the cost of 18-30 bux a box out here in california
the sako and scope I want will probably run me 1600 bux I feel its worth it. Ive had no bad experiance with savage their cost for the accuracy and unique accutrigger is a landmark among the other major manufacturers only wish of.

I would like to get a 338-378 weatherby but their cost of a box of bullets is 80 bux sad but true they are probably worth it although I cant srung up that amount of money everytime I wanna shoot.

Anymore advice anything would be helpful savage is under consideration.

Thank you.

-Mash

Sorry about that Mashminster It's that I haven't bought a box of factory shell's in about 18 years I reload so the price of the Weatherby is just about the same cost as reloading for anything else.

Brass cheap for Weatherby? Never thought about reloading it all I thought was the 1300 dollar rifle and 800 scope and the box of bullets .
I suppose I should look into them to reload for now this will be my first magnum rifle got to get myself used to everything.

Probably get used to spending money on reloading equipment later for now its a factory.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mashminster:
[qb] sako 75 syn stainless and the remington sendero SF let me know your thoughts.

Thanks.

Well, I have had both rifles. I HAVE a Sako 75 SS, in .300 WM. I HAD a Sendero SF in .300 RUM.

For a LR rig you cant beat the Sendero, IMHO

It was the more accurate rifle with almost any bullet/powder combo. The Sako tends to be more fickle. But, shoots some bullets 1/2" @ 100 yds.

What do you mean by long range?? A tacticle rifle??

The Sendero is a real LR rig!! I wish I hadnt traded it frankly. But, I did.

But, the Sako 75 is THE ultimate, out of the box hunting rifle as far as I'm concerned. It just fits me like no other rifle I have ever shouldered.

A LR rig?? You need the barrel of the Sendero.

A most handsome rifle as well!!

Tough choice friend. Hunting rifle= Sako
LR rig=Sendero
FWIW..sakofan..

[ 10-23-2003, 05:22: Message edited by: sakofan ]

Mash:

Just a few personal observations about the 300 Rum and the Sako you mentioned.

I shoot a SS 75 Sako in 300 Win. Mag. Its a shooter as far as I'm concerned. It will shoot 1.5 moa with about anything you stuff in it, and if you work the load right it will shoot 1/2 to 3/4 moa with anything from 125 bts to 180 mks.
Factory ammo I don't know never tried any.

I also shoot a Winchester Model 70 in 300 Rum. Its a contankerus SOB. I've about shot out the barrel 1,000 plus loads and only found 2 bullets it will digest without pukeing all over the paper. Nosler 125 bt's with H 1000 and Hornady 190 National Match with Retumbo. But I do love to shoot it.
FWIW.
The sporter barrels standard in the Sako and Win.70 coupled with the large capacity mags I believe have a few draw backs. When you touch off 100 gr's or there abouts of powder it tends to generate a lot of heat. 1 shot in the 300 Rum and the barrel is warm, 2 shots and its very warm, 3 shots and its almost to hot to touch. It makes for a 20 min. or better cool down between groups. Not a big item but food for thought.

If Sako made a fluted barrel like the Rem. now that would have its advantages. When I eventually rebarrel the Win 70 I'll go with a heaver fluted barrel similar to the Rem. to help with heat dissapation and add a little weight to the mix.

Had I to do it over again, which I won't. I'd go with the Sako for an out of the box gun. If I wanted to save a few bucks I'd go with the fluted Remington.

Good luck with your decision, its a real kick (pun) and a lot of fun to shoot the 300 rum. The lighter bullets get out there in a real hurry, and if you set up just right, occasionally you can see the hit just before the recoil blots out the sun.

JS

I own two custom 300ultramags, one of my hunting partners has a third and his son has a factory 700ss with laminated stock in 300ultramag.Our customs with handloads easily produce 3375fps to 3400fps with 180gr handloads and the factory rifle produces 3250fps with 180gr factory loads.Two of us have also owned 300 wby which produced 3275fps to 3300fps with handloads.All rifles have 26" barrels.The ultra mag does produce about 100fps more with handloads than the 300wby but with factory loads they are both equal.That being said I am not sure if I would bother with the 300ultra if I didn't handload due to the very mild factory loads available.

Mash

You can get Remington 300WBY. brass from Midway USA for around $40.00 a 100 I use 85.5gr IMR 7828 180gr partions for 3308fps.

And in the RUM I use 97 grs RL25 and 180 Sierra`s for 3465.

Well MR. Big I use 105gr. 7828 in my 30-378 for 3580fps. 180gr par. But I really don't care for recoil so I don't shoot the damm thing it has a 27.5 inch barrel I could have went futher but it was kicking my ass. IF YOU ARE IN SEARCH RECOIL TRY THE 30-378

Would the 30-06, 308, and 300wsm put the 300Rum and 300wby to shame accuracy wise groups at 1000 yards and closing? Just wondering If it would be better to for the sake of barrel life to go with the little hitters. I would like to be able to pop off atleast 40 rounds a week and make maybe 2 or 3 follow up shots which Im told the 300RUM is extremely against both.

What Im really looking for here is long range accuracy and follow up shots without erosion being a problem 30-378 and 7mm RUM have proven barrel life and follow ups just eat the barrel.
Been wondering about the 7mm Rem Mag flatter shooting then the 300WM dunno anymore Ideas would help lead me the right way.

Thanks.

-Mash

Mashminster... what is it that you would be hunting/shooting?

All North American game mostly nothing out of states although that 300RUM was going to be both. Im not a very good shot Id rather the rifle shoot better that I can for the animals sake I dont care about recoil doesnt bother me anything under 100ft lbs is ok . Its just where I live where theirs meadows in alot of places they feed and such and theres lots of forest and up hill openings to take shots 250-1200+ yards and rocks to lean on.

Anyways they pop up everywhere whitetail deer and some coyotes couple of squirrels and jackrabbits what Im really focused on is practice on the coyotes till I get good enough to hit a dear with it. From what Im hearing the sendero SF will be a good rifle for the long range shots problem is if I miss the animal completely I really wouldnt want to cost myself money. However if I wound it I will do everything within my power to put it down no matter how many shots because that is a hunters moral responsibility.

-Mash

If you are looking for 1000 yard accuracy the 300 RUM is pretty hard to beat. With the 10 twist barrel you can hand load 240 gr bullets and they will buck the wind. For the $$$ the Sendero is hard to beat. The 7mm RUM is nice but you can't get the heavy bullets for it.

Frank D

Sorry to have mislead but I should of added earlier that coyotes often come around my house because I live on a 10 acre farm usually after the neighbors cows or dead grounds squirrels Id put down in the field. They would be within 200 yards I believe thats not to bad? Ive had alot of experiance with my heavy barrel 10/22 with a bushnell banner on it the heart shots work well on coyotes so far the hyper velocity rounds have paid off well it was 1 shot kill.

I dont really leave them there rotting in the sun either me and my buddy usually keep the hides and use the guts to attract others. Other than that everything is pretty clean practicing merly ment taking shots my buddy will be there if I miss and hes a better shot then I am hes got the calls so theres no way for me to go out alone.

As for long range back on topic I was looking for ideas as toward follow up shots without the cost of barrel erosion and long range accuracy 30-06 with 220gr work well? 338 RUM maybe? Let me know your thoughts please they mean alot to me.

Thanks.

-Mash

[ 10-24-2003, 16:49: Message edited by: Mashminster ]

I have a S.S. sendaro and love it. I have loaded starke 115 for varmint use and the 3900 range is well within reach. Most critter shot with them go Phoof. I shot a large chuck at 320's and there was little to find. I had thought Ihad missed after recoil. I walked out to a very sticky spot in the pasture. Ihave used it on yotes as well as long as you dont want the hides

Nice gun Steve. Indeed a fine work of art they are 750 to 975 bux around here depending on the caliber. Ill probably snag one by the end of the week just wondering what caliber the 300RUM is option but follow up shots are another thing.

Thanks.

-Mash

[ 10-25-2003, 07:55: Message edited by: Mashminster ]

That goes back to the recoil and thing and how it is relative to each person. I do alot of duck and goose hunting and shooting 3 1/2 inch shells are tougher than that rum. I do not notice the recoil so much on the bench.

When I took it out west I removed the recoil pad and filled the stock full on #9 lead shot. Shot like 243 hardley any recoil I would not have wanted to carry it very far though

The gun is 12 lbs as it sits and is very comftable to shoot. I guess follow up shots are needed at times. I have not had aproblem getting backon target but every one is different

Forget About any other gun but the Sendero SF. If you want a tack driver this is the one to get. I guarantee if you get this rifle you will not be dissapointed. The only upgrade you really need is a Jewell Trigger. Good Shooting!

Ill be buying the rifle and a plinker to go with it very soon I was considering keeping my options open for the 300rum for the sendero SF and also in 7mm rem mag. I was thinking about the Rem model 710 in 30-06 for the plinker that time when a shorter rifle is needed for 300 yard closing shots of course and just a fun little pop around gun.

Ive heard the model 710 has become quite a great rifle for cost accuracy durability almost like a package savage only at a price of $349 sounds like a nice package to me. Let me know any thoughts about the 710 as LR rig the sendero is my gun.

Thanks.

-Mash

[ 10-26-2003, 11:08: Message edited by: Mashminster ]

I have fired one 710 and the best thing that I can say about it is that it shot decently averaging about 1-1/2".On the negative side the action was by far the roughest action that I have used.It was so rough that it could not be cycled very quickly and would be useless if a follow up shot was required.It may have been the individual rifle but many people have reported the same thing with other 710's.

i m tired of pussy s talking about wounding animals.How the heck do you think animals die in the wild?They die of starvation,or being eaten alive.A bullet well placed or not isn t anymore painful of a way to die, as they would have had anyways.Sound like cat lovers to me.

There's no problem with 2 or 3 follow-up shots from the 300 RUM. That is not going to ruin your barrel.

Barrel erosion occurs when you continue to shoot a VERY hot or VERY dirty barrel. Get the Sendero, get a couple of cans of Wipe-Out foam cleaner and a Dewey rod with a bore-guide and 30 cal jag. Keep it clean, and don't run 10-15 round strings at the range without letting the barrel cool. Do this and you'll shoot that gun for a long time.

I bought a 300 RUM in the Laminated Stainless, replaced the laminate stock with a Brown Precision, had it pillar and steel bedded, and ended up with a 7.5 pound (with scope) gun that will shoot 2 inches at 250 yards with factory 180 gr Partition loads from Remington.