Hi anyone using them for elk? I've been using the 150g Noslers for a long time, but if their weight retention is as good as their advertisements (which is almost but not quite as well as their A-Frames), I'd like to give them a try.

Regards,
Chuck

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Hi anyone using them for elk? I've been using the 150g Noslers for a long time, but if their weight retention is as good as their advertisements (which is almost but not quite as well as their A-Frames), I'd like to give them a try.

Regards,
Chuck

You can believe it, my son uses them in his 7mm-08 for elk and he has two elk with that combination so far. He says he prefers it to the A-Frame.

Just my opinion I would use a stronger bullet. All a Scirroco is, is a bonded ballistic tip. I think for Mule Deer size and smaller they are great. I personally would go with a A-frame for Elk. I am a big Swift Bullet fan.

Like I said my opinion.

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I personally would go with a A-frame for Elk. I am a big Swift Bullet fan.

I tried the scirocco once and didn't like them in the accuracy department.....and since there's a lot of bullets to use I've never used them again.....in fact they just might be the best bullet on the market! Look at the Accubond instead.

However for my high-dollar hunts the A-Frame and Northforks get my business. I'm leaning to Barnes TTSX lately as well as I read a lot of positives about them.

Actually the Scirroco is a lot more bullet than just a bonded Ballistic tip, that description more aptly fits the Accubond.
The Scirroco has far thickeer walls than the BT and at 270 velocities would be a great choice.
In my opinion that it..

I've shot the original Scirocco's in .270 130 grains. I had mediocre accuracy (1.5" at 100 yards) but great terminal performance.

I shot one good size buck at about 70 - 80 yards which was quartering to me. Shot broke the onside shoulder and exited in the area of the last rib on the far side. Tissue destruction was significant.

I haven't shot any of the newer Scirocco II bullets. They seem to be tailored to very high (+3000 fps) impact velocities. I'd ask their tech person to be sure.

If they are intended for higher impact velocities, you might find expansion less than you hoped for at 300 + yards.

Again, I'd call Swift and see what they say.

friar

I don't own a 270 of any kind, but do use the scirrocco II's in my 338 Federal. I think they're fantastic. Accuracy was way better than accubonds in my rifle and the ones I've gathered from the clay berm at our range show exceptional weight retention compared to interbond, accubond etc...

I would absolutely prefer scirrocco's for moose, elk or bear.

There are employees at Swift that use the 130 Scirocco in a 270 for elk. If it works for them, it will work for you.

I can attest to how well these bullets work in black bears (30.06-180 scirocco)....blew through both shoulders at bait range in every case as where the 225 AB from a 338 did not. Regardless, all were dead bears and all dropped where shot.

I bought a lot of different types of bullets for my elk hunt last fall,for my 300 win mag, the a-frames and sciroccos among them and was going to take the sciroccos
I did however not take that cal but instead took another(358 win)
point being they are designed for that task and are far more than a b.t. with a different colored tip more on the lines of a accubond and that has staked claims in the elk bullet world

Thanks all, I'll give them a try,

Chuck

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Originally posted by bucko:
Actually the Scirroco is a lot more bullet than just a bonded Ballistic tip, that description more aptly fits the Accubond.
The Scirroco has far thickeer walls than the BT and at 270 velocities would be a great choice.
In my opinion that it..

Good summation.......much heavier jacket than the AB.

Hey Chuck, If you have not bought them yet, you might want to read about Von Gruff's experience with Voids in the Sciroccos.

More troublesome for me is the "total and complete lack of response" from the folks that bush-leagued them together.

If you have bought them, weight-sorting might help. You could also try laying them on a flat sheet of glass and see if they roll to a specific stopping point after you move them slightly(Void to the top).

Or, sell them to someone you shoot against to see who buys the BBQ.

How often to shooters cut bullets in half? Inside of what most would be considered to be reasonable hunting distances, the wt variances won't make much difference in bullet placement.

I've weighed lots of bullets including lots of sciroccos and never had anything remarkable show up on the scale.

Perhaps Von Gruff had a bad batch.

As to the .270, no.
However in my 300RUM both the 150 and the 180 have been very accurate and showed good penetration and weight retention.
Do not see why the .270 should be remarkably different,though it is possible.

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Originally posted by Doc:
... Inside of what most would be considered to be reasonable hunting distances, the wt variances won't make much difference in bullet placement.

Hey Doc, For a guy who demands high precision, that seems a rather odd comment. Especially since a 0.1-0.2gr void(depending on the internal location) can cause patterns rather than nice small confidence building groups.

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Perhaps Von Gruff had a bad batch.

I agree. Maybe he did. The total lack of response from Swift is what turns me off. Anything man made can occasionally have a problem. For Swift to avoid the Corrective Action that I would expect, just doesn't warrant "my" money.

I can't imagine you having the same attitude if one of your new Custom Rifles had pits in the barrel visible from the muzzle, or an out-of-align Chamber and the Gun Smith totally ignored your emails or calls. But, perhaps I'm wrong.

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Hey Doc, For a guy who demands high precision, that seems a rather odd comment.

That is why I worded it the way I did. I didn't say anything about what I personally consider to be reasonable hunting distances, else I'd get the big bad flame torch verbal spanking.

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The total lack of response from Swift is what turns me off. Anything man made can occasionally have a problem. For Swift to avoid the Corrective Action that I would expect, just doesn't warrant "my" money.

I respect that. I would demand a response from them.

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I can't imagine you having the same attitude if one of your new Custom Rifles had pits in the barrel visible from the muzzle, or an out-of-align Chamber and the Gun Smith totally ignored your emails or calls. But, perhaps I'm wrong.

The cost of a box of bullets v. the cost of a barrel, install, rechambering, or having to obtain a new bbl due to bad chambering are substantially different. And no, I would not have the same attitude. The frustration, cost, time needed to redo a custom rifle is one thing. Getting a bad batch of bullets, if that is the case, can be handled by using them to plink, practice, or demand new bullets from the manufacturer via fax, snail mail, email, and phone.

I'm not sure what the problem is at swift not returning an email, but with most businesses in the firearms industry, my return emails usually avg about a week to two weeks. Perhaps there's not been enough time.

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I'm not sure what the problem is at swift not returning an email, but with most businesses in the firearms industry, my return emails usually avg about a week to two weeks.

This has been my experience as well.....I just hate to email firearms companies as replies are slow and sometimes never at all.

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I'm not sure what the problem is at swift not returning an email, but with most businesses in the firearms industry, my return emails usually avg about a week to two weeks. Perhaps there's not been enough time.

I'd like to hear that Von Gruff did hear back from them. You and Vapo may have the correct answer, perhaps it is just a matter of a slow response.
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I've been thinking back on "bad" cartridges/components I've gotten over the years and can only think of three times it has happened to me.

Once was with a box of Factory 22Hornet cartridges. Can't remember if they were Win or Rem, but the Cases split as they were fired. The company replaced them two for one.

I had two boxes of Factory Rem 300Sav cartridges that barely hit an 8.5"x11" sheet of paper at 100yds. I discovered 18-20 years later that some fool had used "Set-Up" Bullets to make production and reduce his Scrap. No wonder they shot all over the place. Pulled the Bullets with the intent to use them for Fire Forming and just trashed the mess.

And I had one batch of bad Cadmium Plated(aka Nickel) 308Win cases made by Rem that the Cad would flake off the Case Neck on the first resizing of a once-fired case. I think they are all gone now.
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But, I've never experienced a box or Lot of component Bullets that had as much weight variance as Von Gruff noted, even the el cheapo FMJs.

I twisted the Lead Tip off some supposedly 7mm 150gr Win Power Points and improved their overall weight variation. Planned to drill a Hollow Point in them to see if I could improve the accuracy, but still haven't found the time to mess with that project. They do fine for Fire Forming as is.
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So, if Swift ever responds to Von Gruff and replaces his hosed-up Bullets, that would get them off my "Do not Buy List". Until then, they won't be paying for their own Hunting Trips with my money.

Thanks HotCore, maybe I'll just stick with my tried and true 150g Noslers at 3000 fps (yes they whistle out of my 22" barreled M700, but no hard extraction, marks on the head or flattened primers).

Regards all,

Chuck

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Thanks HotCore, maybe I'll just stick with my tried and true 150g Noslers. ...

Hey CHuck, You are welcome.

You might buy some Sciroccos and have them work great for you the same way they do for Doc. If they were horrible Bullets, they would be out of business, which is obviously not the situation.

I like to try different Bullets as well or perhaps better than most folks. Yet, I do not want to get a wad of money tied up in any company that refuses to talk to me.

Same with Tru-Glo Fiber Optic Sights. Saw some "On Sale" at Natchez, looked up Tru-Glo's phone number, called them and got an answering machine , left my number and the question I had - they did not call back. Waited three days and called them back - same results.

Tru-Glo. Bought Williams Fire Sights.
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Nothing at all wrong with Noslers on-game performance.