The new Sauer 100 in 6.5 Creedmoor for $699 would be an interesting rifle. Anyone got one?

Sauer 100

Mike, I just saw that today. They went from the 202 to the 404 upwards, and now from the 202 to the 101 to the 100.I wonder if it replaces the 101, or there are less features/cheaper components top make it a $699 rifle?

You got me. The stock is obviously just a relatively cheap hardwood, but I would be surprised if Sauer put it's name on something that was not a pretty nice rifle. Adjustable trigger from 2.2 lbs to 4.4 lbs as I recall. Will be interesting to hear the reviews.

Seems like everyone wants a piece of the lower-end market. Sauer has gone to the 101 and 100, Sako to the A7, Merkel to the M12 and now an even cheaper rifle. That must be where the majority of the rifle spend goes.

Well here are the load working up groups from my $529 Savage Tactical. H414 and H4350 with 142 Sierra MK.

They look even better when you realize that the charge with H414 was one shot with four shots, with one each at 39.5, 40, 40.5 and 41 grains. The H4350 was five shots, 40, 40.5, 41, 41.5 and 42 grains with the same bullet.

You'd have to think it'll shoot pretty good when the powder charges are the same!

Nice! Looks like it will be a one-holer once you select a final load.

I just won a Creed in the X-Bolt persuasion. Would never have bought it (I already have a 6.5x55) but for $20 I took a chance and dammed if I didn't win. Anyhow, curiosity gets the cat so I mounted an old 6X Redfield scope and took her for a spin. WOW! Shoots 1/2" groups right out of the box. Now I'm buying brass, dies etc. and gonna work up a load for it. Just what I needed, another safe queen but maybe I'll take her on a hunt.

I loaded up ten of each, so if it's not windy, I'll give it a test at 100 and 200 this weekend.

I have a box stock Ruger Precision rifle that shots unbelievably well. Seems to
Like everything but 40.9gr of H4350 with a Sierra 142 gr HPBT and a fed 210 primer consistently shoots one hole groups at 100 yards. This is off the bipod too!

Ruger FTW

Biebs...I'd consider this rifle in the 6.5 cm, or the 375 Ruger if I didn't already have one.

Wow, threaded, stainless, 1/8" twist, adj LOP. $1,269? Wonder what the street price will be.

quote:

Originally posted by cmfic1:
Ruger FTW

Biebs...I'd consider this rifle in the 6.5 cm, or the 375 Ruger if I didn't already have one.

At the 145th NRA Annual Meeting & Revival (Come to Jesus!) I saw this FTW ("Fallon Trophy Whitetail" Ranch monikered).

They have not shown up at the local emporium, but I will post when I see it, expect 10% over wholesale, maybe about $900?

Ruger bean counters cut a corner again on this one, however.
The stock is camo-painted laminate wood, same stock as they have been using previously.
HS Precision makes a good stock for Ruger M77 MkII rifles and will fit the Hawkeye too.
Too bad B&C has not seen fit to make a Medalist for this rifle, yet.
With laminated wood, it will be a little heavier than need be for a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Threaded barrel with a brake and a "dynamically tuned" muzzle weight to replace it is interesting, but how about a simple thread protector instead?
Maybe the American Predator or RPR thread caps will fit?

And now you can by an alloy bolt shroud to replace the plastic one on the RPR.Thanks for reminding me to do this.



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quote:

Originally posted by Pancho:
I just won a Creed in the X-Bolt persuasion. Would never have bought it (I already have a 6.5x55) but for $20 I took a chance and dammed if I didn't win. Anyhow, curiosity gets the cat so I mounted an old 6X Redfield scope and took her for a spin. WOW! Shoots 1/2" groups right out of the box. Now I'm buying brass, dies etc. and gonna work up a load for it. Just what I needed, another safe queen but maybe I'll take her on a hunt.

Good to hear that.
I have not shot mine yet, been too busy. Will hope to do it Saturday this.






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Hey RIP, I believe it comes with brake,muzzle weight AND thread protector.
Not sure I understand their need to coat a wood laminate...but like you stated, there are after market options.
I might just grab one in LH if they ever get up here.

I saw,today in a wholesale catalog a new Tikka T3X tactical rifle listed in 6.5Creed. Looks just like the CTR but with whatever new action 'improvements' they dreamed up.

quote:

Originally posted by cmfic1:
Hey RIP, I believe it comes with brake,muzzle weight AND thread protector.
Not sure I understand their need to coat a wood laminate...but like you stated, there are after market options.
I might just grab one in LH if they ever get up here.

That is good, to have a thread protector, makes sense.
Oddly, my X-Bolt came with none but it is a common thread that I can use other protectors for, parts is parts, contour does not match,
but I have both a stainless one and a blued chrome-moly one as a fetching accent.

But heck, the muzzle brake contour does not match the barrel either, and the hole in the end of it is too generous in bore!



Maybe the Ruger FTW will have a prettier muzzle brake, weight AND thread protector.

BTW, the X-Bolt barrel is 26" without the brake, 27.5" with the brake screwed on.
The dry weight of the Browning X-Bolt LRH (Long Range Hunter) is 7.375 lbs. for 6.5 Creedmoor.
The Ruger FTW 6.5 Creedmoor is claimed to be 7.8 lbs. with a 24" barrel.



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The coating over the laminate will help strength and durability.
The adjustable LOP is nice.
I use a slip-on pad on the 13.5" LOP Browning to get a full 14.5" LOP.


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A muzzle break on a 6.5 Creedmoor . . .

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
A muzzle break on a 6.5 Creedmoor . . .

Most would agree, me too, but it is what it is ...
Need that muzzle cap, thread protector.
The main reason for the 6.5 Creedmoor in a hunting rifle is low recoil.
But the brake will protect the crown, and make the rifle impressively LOUD. May help scare the game to death.


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RIP, are you ready for the challenge?? Dude at the bottom claims 1600 yards with a 308!! THAT is shooting!!

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
A muzzle break on a 6.5 Creedmoor . . .

The muzzle brake helps you see your shot strikes through the scope.

I have a brake on a 700 Rem in 308. I can watch bullet impacts through the scope.

My 6.5 Creedmoor is a very similar heavy barreled rifle. The recoil is too stiff for me to see the impacts. Even in a 10 pound gun. The difference is no brake!

Just FYI. I believe Cabelas in Ft Oglethorpe, GA has a Kimber with a really nice stick of wood at a very good price. It's very petite and should be a good get in the Creedmore.

Mike, I didn't see it...might have sold.

ell if you can't find a blaser i'm sure savage will sell you one

I zeroed the Ruger Hawkeye and the Browning X-Bolt yesterday in the rain.
The Hornady ELD Match 140-grain 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo was HOT!
Sticky bolt lift and extruded brass into the ejector cut on the bolt face!
I will take pictures and post later.

I built a couple tactical style rifles for guys that ran short on time and started shooting that factory Hornady 140 ELD match ammo. They're getting an easy 1/2 MOA out of it. They both bought a case or two to get reloading brass after shooting up the ammo in competition.

I have pictures of the Hornady factory ammo that gave brass extrusion, but photobucket was down when I went to upload the pics.
Pretty ugly.

Hornady factory ammo, yep I bought 10 boxes of it too:

6.5 Creedmoor 140 gr ELD Match
product code # 81500
lot # 3153349

Before I shoot anymore of it I will be calling Hornady to discuss.
Will upload the pics when I can.

I do have the component bullets too. Will have to try Rob's powder (H4350) with those.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, an equation is surely worth a hundred.

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Conditions were not perfect for an "accuracy outing" last Saturday. The local gun range was just re-opened after a re-vamp.
Poured concrete shooting benches are supposed to be coming.
Saturday they had some plastic and tubular steel banquet tables for us to shoot off of.
I got two rifles roughly zeroed before the slanting rain started blowing into the "covered" shooting position.
I quit early, but some shooting is better than no shooting, any day.
I fired 22 shots total from both rifles, taking turns with the guy next to me, alternating shots so we did not jiggle the table too much with our elbows while the other was shooting!
He was "co-witnessing" his iron sights to his scope (in see-through mounts) on an SKS, to be a deer rifle for his 30 y.o. adult son who does not shoot much!


The hot Hornady factory ammo, you could cut your fingers on the extruded sharp edges in the headstamps:



All wet:




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I have contacted Hornady and will be shipping a box of ammo back to them for testing.
They said that ammo was supposed to be 58,000 psi.
I said, "but recalls for excessive pressure do happen, eh?"
We shall see what happens.
That is lot # 3153349.

www.hornady.com

http://www.hornady.com/in-the-news/product-recalls

And then there are some upgrades for the first-edition RPR:

www.shopruger.com

Have ordered a "Billet Aluminum Bolt Shroud" to replace the plastic one on the RPR 6.5 Creedmoor, only $49.95,
and a couple of flash suppressors for the RPR and the RAR-Predador, i.e., RARP.
I certainly don't need a muzzle brake on either of those.
They are selling a .30-cal muzzle brake, one size fits all, for .243 Win, 6.5 CM, and .308 Win, for about $99.95.

The flash suppressor is blued steel and 5/8x24 threaded, same threads on both the RPR and RARP.
The flash suppressor will make a nice muzzle protector. Only $19.95 for one of those, might as well get two. Must have matching RPR and RARP muzzles!

And the Browning X-Bolt's detachable rotary magazine is caliber specific for 6.5 CM, even though they use a .30-cal muzzle brake on that one too.
Supposedly the .308 Win magazine will not work on the 6.5 CM. I can find the .308 Win magazines for less than 35 bucks some places, but those places do not carry the 6.5 CM-marked magazines.
But Browning-Winchester does, (800) 333-3288, for $59.95 each!

And then there is that new Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic in 6.5 CM.
With a Warne steel 20 MOA one-piece (Howa short action) Picatinny rail added:

http://www.weatherby.com/produ...uard.html?caliber=41



Nice "Griptonite" synthetic stock on that one too.
Weatherby copy-righted that name for the stock.


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OK, the 6.5 Creedmoor out-performs the .308 Win at 1000 yards, so does that make it a "medium bore"?

I just cannot decide which one I like best for a stalking rifle.
I guess I would rather have 4 or 5 redneck rifles than one extended-pinky-finger rifle.

Here is the next one:



Four redneck stalking rifles:







I've been switching scopes and getting the rings lower on the ones above.









I'll leave the boat anchor (below) as is, except for the new bolt shroud and flash suppressor in the mail:



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quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

I guess I would rather have 4 or 5 redneck rifles than one extended-pinky-finger rifle.

Here is the next one:

Two Japanese and three American rifles and 5 different scopes. You're able to amass an opinion. Which gets the nod for stalking?
How does the Leupy compare to the Sightron? And which bullet weight do they seem to favor, for all?

Yes I've seen you're undecided for the go to stalking, but I think you have a preference.

.366torque,

You got that right.
I have a preference.
The RARP!

Predator:


Cheapest and best shooting yet.
Lightest dry rifle weight and shortest barrel (22") are of lesser considerations.
Interesting that it has the greatest muzzle diameter of all of them, 0.750" at 22" length, same muzzle as the 24" RPR.
The dry weight of the RARP is 6 # 12 oz.

Comparative weights (in lbs.) of 5 different 6.5CM rifles as out of box:

22" RARP = 6.750 # (includes aluminum alloy Picatinny rail installed at factory)
24" RPR = 10.600 # (comes with Picatinny-galore)
24" Hawkeye = 8.188 # (integral scope bases)
24" Vanguard = 7.375 # (add weight of Warne 20-MOA steel rail)
26" X-Bolt = 7.375 # (add weight of steel Warne 2-piece cross-slot bases)

I have owned the RARP longest, and have not had a chance to wring out the others yet for accuracy testing, and I won't be able to until the local range finishes renovations. My life has been disrupted!

The current scope on the RARP is a SIGHTRON 6.5-25x50mmAO with standard duplex reticle that I got "used" on a trade.
It is yet to be verified, but I know the RARP is up to the testing.
I think Sightron and Leupold are of equal quality.
I like one as much as the other.
Nikon too.

The Hawkeye wears the Leupold 4-12x40mmAO with mildot reticle, is a case of the most scope for the least weight possible.

Vanguard: Gotta admit the Nightforce SHV 3-10x42mm with MOAR reticle (30mm tube) is tops here,
especially since it works in LOW Burris Xtreme Tactical rings, on a Warne steel 20-MOA Picatinny rail.

X-Bolt: S&B 4-16x50mm PMII with 34mm tube is a MONSTER in Badger rings.

RPR: Springfield Armory 6-20x56mmAO "Mil Dot Government Model" illuminated reticle has a 30mm tube and is A MONSTER MONSTER.
Hence the 3-ring circus of Burris Xtreme tactical X-High rings.

Any of these scopes could be swapped between rifles, except for the Hawkeye with Ruger rings.
Of course some ridiculous combinations could be created.

Weights of scopes with their current rings, and weights of Warne steel scope bases, to be determined ...

The Flash suppressor that screws onto muzzle of RARP or RPR, for $19.95:





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.366torque,
Forgot this above:
140-ish-grainers are all I shoot. All rifles are 1:8" twist.
Will consider lighter monometal FN solid or 160-grain FMJ only if elephant hunting.

Wanted a hunting bullet for my sons Ruger American Predator. Took 3 bullets Barnes 127 LRX, Hornady 129 Interlock & Nosler 130 Gr Accubond.

Loaded 9 rounds of each bullet from 42.5 , 43 gr & 43.5 gr of RL 17.

6 of the 9 loads shot under 1". Best was .6".

Ordered another RAR in 6.5 Creedmoor even though I am LH.

Leupold 4-12x40mmAO in a pair of Ruger medium 1" rings: 1.250 # (with lens caps)

SIGHTRON 6.5-25x50mmAO in a pair of Burris X-Tac medium 1" rings: 1.625 # (with lens caps)

Nightforce 3-10x42mm in a pair of Burris X-Tac low 30mm rings: 1.750 # (with lens caps)

S&B 4-16x50mm PMII in a pair of Badger medium 34mm rings: 2.563 # (without rubber-strapped lens covers)

Springfield Armory 6-20x56mmAO in a trio of Burris X-Tac extra-high 30mm rings: 4.275 #


22" RARP = 6.750 # (includes aluminum alloy Picatinny rail installed at factory)
24" RPR = 10.600 # (comes with Picatinny-galore)
24" Hawkeye = 8.188 # (integral scope bases)
24" Vanguard = 7.375 #, plus 3-ounce Warne steel rail = 7.563 #
26" X-Bolt = 7.375 #, plus 2-ounce Warne 2-piece steel bases = 7.500 #

Now switching and swapping scopes on the rifles,
if I use only two rings on the RARP with the Springfield Armory scope,
I can have a rig weighing just under 11 pounds.

Or if I put the S&B scope on the RARP the rig will weigh only 9.313 pounds,
and the rifle will have cost under 11 times what the scope cost.
Absolutely true statement.


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quote:

Originally posted by kk alaska:
Wanted a hunting bullet for my sons Ruger American Predator. Took 3 bullets Barnes 127 LRX, Hornady 129 Interlock & Nosler 130 Gr Accubond.

Loaded 9 rounds of each bullet from 42.5 , 43 gr & 43.5 gr of RL 17.

6 of the 9 loads shot under 1". Best was .6".

Ordered another RAR in 6.5 Creedmoor even though I am LH.

Good idea.
One can never have too many RARP 6.5 Creedmoors.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, an equation is surely worth more than a hundred:
I = E/R is Ohm's Law. "The Indian sees the Eagle over the Rock." The ohm is the unit of electrical resistance and must be equivalent to volt/ampere.
This works for calculating the flow of electricity as well as in calculating fluid flow such as: CO = MAP/TPR "The Cardiac Output sees the Mean Arterial Pressure over the Total Peripheral Resistance." So if the units of CO are L/min and the units of MAP are mmHg, then the resistance units of TPR are (mmHg)(min)/L. The same Ohm's Law sort of relationship applies to air flow in the lungs where ... or the sales of RARP 6.5CM rifles: SR = AR/PR "Sales of Rifle sees the Accuracy of Rifle over the Price of Rifle." Know what I mean?


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Anyone tried the Kimber Adirondack in 6.5?

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
.366torque,
Forgot this above:
140-ish-grainers are all I shoot. All rifles are 1:8" twist.
Will consider lighter monometal FN solid or 160-grain FMJ only if elephant hunting.

Thank you good sir! Canuck and 470 mbogo are having fun with their RPRs. I've maxed out on projects this year. (first S&B Polar T96 in Canada)
Next year will be a long range performer. Some good guys are laying the groundwork for me to follow. Although I'd like stalk ability.

bvekenya,

what kind of rifle is that?

quote:

Originally posted by Bvekenya:
here my 6.5 Creedmore - not exactly a carry rifle

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
bvekenya,

what kind of rifle is that?

Good question.
Until Bvekenya repies ...



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Our LSS Chassis was designed for use with short barrelled bolt action rifles. It converts your rifle to an external box magazine fed rifle, while improving accuracy, and giving the rifle superior ergonomics by allowing use of AR-15 butt-stocks and grips."

"The MDT LSS chassis system is currently manufactured for the following bolt action rifle platforms:"

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Remington 700 Long Action
Remington Model 7
Remington Model 783
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Tikka T3 - Short Calibers
Tikka T3 - Long Calibers. Requires MDT 3.56 Magazine.
Mossberg MVP 5.56 (.223) using AR-15 Magazines
Mossberg MVP 7.62 (.308) using AR-10 Magazines
Howa 1500 / Weatherby Vanguard - Short Calibers. (Only compatible with MDT Polymer magazines)
Ruger M77 (Scout) Short Action
Ruger American - Short Action

Hey! MDT makes the LSS chassis for the RAR.
One can never have too many RARP 6.5 Creedmoors.


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