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'bout the only thing to practice, is reading the wind.... My latest endeavor is a 223 AI. Slinging 75 gr Amaxs with a .450 BC dupes most of my hunting rounds, and will be a breeze to shot. It'll be fun dinking clays at 500..... | |||
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I find it hard to believe that someone would actually ask that question. But I will briefly try to answer it. When I am thoroughly familiar with my rifle I shoot much better. Besides that I just enjoy shooting. Nobody can learn to judge the wind without practice. Without practice nobody really shoots well, with or without a rest. It takes practice to shoot good groups off of the bench and it takes practice to shoot good groups off hand, sitting, or prone. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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The reason I asked it is simply because I just personally don't see the need for it. It is just a difference in personal ideas/concepts concerning shooting. I do not shoot, just to shoot. I shoot just enough to get my rifles sighted in or to kill something and that is it. I have hunted with and around quite a few folks over the years that would shoot some type of target every chance the got, all year long. Some even carried loose leaf binders around with them that had some or all the targets they had shot, with their tiny little groups they had made shooting from the bench. The deal was, with some of them, that when the target went from inanimate paper to something with hair on it and the ability move around, their shooting ability dropped several notches. I view a gun as a tool and for me, I don't like setting around and driving nails with a hammer or sawing 2x4's just for the fun of it. If it is something that a person enjoys or feels makes them a better shooter/hunter, go for it. It just ain't my thing. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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proficiency doesn't come from owning tools..... | |||
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That may be true, but overworking a tool can lead to sloppy results. I am not saying that individuals that want to, should not practice if they feel it helps them. I am merely stating that in my case, and others mileage will vary, I do not need the extended practice sessions, which can, in some instances, lead to poor shooting habits. Not everyone views or believes the same set of concepts when it comes to hunting accuracy, and not everyone has experienced the exact same set of results. I do better if I shoot as little as possible and only check that the gun is still hitting the spot I want it to hit, on the first shot. If it is, my only need for a follow up shot is as a finisher. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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The Texas version of Shootaway!  | |||
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Todd, you do things the way you have learned to do them, I merely do the same thing. Just because the way I do things is different than how you or anyone else does them, does not make you or them, God Of All Hunters. My way of doing things in regards to how much or how little I shoot works for me and I will keep doing them that way. When YOU start buying my guns/hunting licenses/ammunition and paying for my hunting trips, then and only then will your opinion amount to anything. I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are, and FOR ME, I do not see any profit in doing a lot of extra shooting when I know where my guns are hitting. It works for me. You and everyone else can use whatever methods you are used to using and produces the results any of you desire, that is your prerogative. Have the civility and manners to allow me that same right, if it is possible for you to do that which I really doubt. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I stand by my comment!   | |||
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That is your prerogative and you are welcome to it, Just As I Am Mine! Not doing all the extra shooting and practice has not effected my ability to kill stuff, it works for me. As I have said about 3 times, others can do what they think is best or works best for them, I do not have a problem with that. Some individuals, seem to have a problem with my saying that for MYSELF, I just do not see it necessary. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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There is no such thing as someone who shoots too much.. I like to get out whenever I can. Yesterday it was oil changes, a new kitchen faucet and a light repair. No shooting for me this weekend.  I envy those who can bust out a rifle in their back yard..  How would it be? I want to get myself another 223. They are great for the topic. But I have several light recoiling rifles. 260 Rem is excellent for lots of light shooting. 257R. Cast bullets in virtualy anything are a fantastic alternative what with the cost and scarcity of components thesedays. I say shoot um if ya got um! AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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I can tell you how it is to carry a couple of rifles everyday and if the opportunity arises to shoot something, it is fandamntastic. I have the ability to carry at least 2 rifles with me daily while making my rounds, a .22LR for small stuff and a center-fire for bigger stuff, and each of the different center-fires are the ones I hunt with. The reason I don't believe in just shooting to shoot, and do consider my guns as tools, is because I have them with me everyday and few days go buy that I don't have the opportunity to shoot something. I don't shoot something everyday for various reasons, but punching holes in paper other than when checking the zero on one of my guns, has never held any fascination for me. I carry my guns to kill stuff, first/last/always. Killing paper has never appealed to me, never will, so I really don't see, have never seen, where practice on something that is, for the most practical aspect, stationary and not ready to haul ass when it sees me, will improve my shooting skills. Trying to hit a turtle in the head while it is swimming around a farm pond, especially after you have done hit a couple, to me, is practice plus it removes a pest that is eating fish out of the pond. I know many folks don't have the ability to do that, and the time they get to spend shooting their guns is at a premium. I am fortunate in being able to do what I do, and in the long run familiarity with ones equipment, however they obtain it, does make a difference. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I don't have a high opinion of bench shooting. But I am biased having shot decades of position shooting, standing, sitting rapid fire, prone rapid fire, and prone long range with a sling. Bench shooting takes as much of the human away from shooting but positional errors and all the other hundred or so other errors that crop up off the bench will eat a bench shooter's group alive. I have heard some people say that they are great shots, but come to find out that these people only shoot weapons in video games, have never shot a real rifle! Bench shooting is better than video games, but not much more realistic. | |||
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I couldnt disagree more.. I dont have to kill something to enjoy shooting at all. I like shooting things at long distances to test my own abilities and to try to improve them. Random, offhand, sitting, prone, doesnt matter. The more the merrier! Sometimes I like shooting at very small objects not so far away. Many times it is about testing myself and my rifle, but I also like to shoot just for the hell of it. Very often me and my compatriots will simply pick out a rock or whatever object happens to seem like a good target. Sometimes I like doing penetration tests, and anyone who has never shot milk jugs full of water needs to grab a youngster and try it.. Shooting is fun!! I LOVE doing it and cant get enough of it. I punch paper mostly to try to dial in better but I prefer going to mother natures range. Sometimes we will hunt for a while and then have a bit of shooting fun afterwards. And why not? And anyone with a lick of sense knows that the notion that practice doesnt make one a better shot is total BS. Sometimes you can watch yourself improve right on the spot. Try telling a biathalon contender that there is no need to practice.. That is a rediculous take and you are hijacking the thread with it.. Why dont you start another thread on that subject and see how many actually agree?AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Disagreement is fine, all I am saying is that what I do works for ME. If a person enjoys shooting just to shoot and improve their abilities, that is great for THEM. I developed my attitude about guns/hunting/accuracy/proficiency over 45 years of carrying firearms on an almost daily basis. Other than what rounds I use for an initial sight in, the rest are intended and/or expended for the purpose of killing something. It is simply a different philosophy concerning firearms use that happens to work for me and has been working for me for a good while. Not trying to promote my methods as a panacea for everyone, just stating my opinion on the topic. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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 Alternate universe! Just like Shootaway! Really no need for additional comment except that when one finds their commentary and opinions at odds with 99.9% of their audience, the problem isn't with the 99.9% of other folks! And no, I'm not speaking of this thread alone. I'm speaking of them all Crazy! Now, we'll all standby for your explanation of how we are all wrong and you are solely right! | |||
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You really have no reading comprehension skills do you. At NO POINT, have I said I was right and ANYONE else was wrong. I have merely stated what WORKS FOR ME. Each and every time, I have plainly stated, this is what works for me. At no point have I claimed that ANYONE ELSE was WRONG. I have simply been saying that I do not see things the same way as other people. Do I not have the right to view things differently, if what I am doing works for me? Who died and left you in charge of how anyone should view or respond to a subject. Please enlighten me. Why don't you put your hatred aside for just a minute and pay attention to the FACT, that I have repeatedly stated that if anyone feels that they need to practice that way, that is their thing, it is just not my thing. At no point have I said that anyone was wrong, I have simply been saying that I do not agree with it. What is your problem, because it is your problem. I have just as much right to my opinion as you or anyone else, and THAT SIR, is something you cannot change. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I shoot a 22 for fun and shoot my other rifles mostly to check new loadings or to zero them. I tend to get ready for an elk hunt by shooting the 2 rifles that i decide to take. YMMV | |||
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Do you really think your fan club thinks you are some kind of paid professional hunter for driving around in a truck filling feral pig feeders shooting a few skunks and racoons with your crappy wood stocked 30 year pawn shop rifles.How in the world can you fault these real big game hunters for shooting lots of paper at the range. | |||
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You are a joke, nothing more. A pathetic, simple minded joke. I have no fan club, never claimed to have one. Never asked anyone on here to agree with me on anything. You are one pitiful individual Dude. You are the one that makes an issue about peoples finances, not me. You are the one that keeps boasting about where he has hunted and how anyone that has not done what you have done is some form of inferior life form. You are a piteous piece of arrogant trash. You know absolutely nothing about my financial status, if I am in such dire financial straits as you claim, what does it matter to you. You know absolutely nothing about me or my financial status, all you know how to do is make baseless accusations. If I do not want to do a lot of what I feel is unnecessary shooting, what is it to you? When you can prove any of the accusations/lies you have put forth, do so. Your the one looking for a fan club, not me. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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7300 posts.Thats SEVEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED POSTS.When you climb out of your moms basement and go out in the world and make some money you will enjoy hunting and writing about something other than the poor mans adventures. | |||
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Hey.. I like crappy old wood stocked pawn shop rifles..  AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Ben: First question is what do you intend to hunt? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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hmmm..... | |||
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Wow, this thread has taken a life of its own in the typical internet manner. I use my rifle for deer mostly out to 150 yds (woods) with the occasional hunt out of town. Navy SEALS and other special operations soldiers carry weapons everyday and they feel the need to practice as often as possible....I think that says a lot. In fact the best shooters in the military are in the special operations teams which shoot more in one year than many soldiers do in a career. | |||
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