A few years ago CZ-USA stopped importing the CZ 550 American and CZ 550 Full Stock in 7x57mm. I contacted the company about it and was told there just wasn't a demand. Call me nuts, but I just don't buy it, although Ruger dropped the 7x57mm from its Ruger Mark II lineup in 2004. I am told that CZ still manufactures the CZ 550 in 7x57mm, but it is only being made available in Europe. I see several people a year saying they wished that CZ-550 Full Stock were still available in the full stock model. My brother has one and his buddy has one too. They are really neat little mannlicher rifles. A friend who is desperately trying to find a CZ 550 Full Stock in 7x57mm said if consumers were to e-mail CZ-USA about the company once again importing the CZ 550 Full Stock in 7x57mm, there would be a possibility of doing it. So, if you feel like it, please contact CZ about it. Thanks for your time. If you don't feel like doing it, just act like you never read this post in the first place. Tom Purdom

Possibly it is being marketed in Europe under the BRNO name. There are several gun-houses in Germany who may be able to advise you. Let me know if you would like further info.

I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

Conifer: thanks for the offer. My interests are to get CZ-USA to get its parent company, CZ, to start sending the CZ 550 Full Stock to America in 7x57mm. It imported the CZ 550 Full Stock in 7x57mm and then stopped. Later, the company stopped importing the CZ 550 American in 7x57mm saying there just wasn't that much of a market for the caliber in the United States. I think now that Ruger stopped making the Mark II in 7x57mm, it opens the import door a bit wider for CZ to get back into that nitch. KY Nimrod, I think the action on the CZ 550 is right for this cartridge as the CZ line throats its 7x57mm barrels way, way out. My handloads are 3.29 inches long with a 160 grain bullet just to be .01 inch off the lands. That said, the CZ 550 action handles cartridges in the .30/06 case length (61mm) to the .22/250. The shorter actions that came out for .308 case lengths are a tad too short for the 7x57mm and the ..30/06 lenght actions are a tad too long for some folks. If someone were to manufacture an action suited for 7x57mm cartridges it would be neat, though costly. It is one hell of a cartridge, even though it is 114 years old. It just flat does the job! Thanks for your post ... Tom Purdom

I have a CZ 550 full stock, and I like it alot. Put a 2X7 leupold on it and it is quite a rifle, I hunted black bear with it but never saw one.
Its a nice rifle I might build anoth 7X57 on the VZ 24 I just put on layaway.
...tj3006

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Originally posted by KY Nimrod:
I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

Yes....and this is the single biggest detriment to the X x 57 family. If you don't mind blocked magazines the M-70 was a fine gun for that.....the Interarms also furnished a blocked magazine for that as well.....

But the entire family really don't have a good home.....

I currently have 5 7x57s and like the cartridge, but doubt that there is too much demand for it. Too European for most Americans and besides most of the factory ammo is loaded to be safe in pre-1898 Mausers and pre-WW1 Remington Rolling Blocks.

I have 3 mannlicher stocked 7x57s, a NIB Ruger 77 RSI and 2 Interarms Mark Xs. I'm going to take 1 of the 7x57 Mark Xs to Namibia next spring as my light rifle and an other Mark X mannlicher in 9.3x62 was my heavy rifle.

If you provide the contact data for CZ, I'd be happy to email them and express interest in 550FS in 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, and 9.3x62. BTW, there is a 6.5x55 550 FS at Scheels in Omaha if that would work for your friend.

Jeff

Gidday 260remguy,

Gosh mate how many rifles do you have? You are one lucky bugger.

I would love to have just one rifle in the calibres I want. I am buggered coz I can't afford them but good luck to those that can.

Wasn't the 98 mauser designed for the 7x57 and the 7.92x57? Maybe something based on that would be somewhere to start or have I overlooked something.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

I don't care if any of the big rifle makers put out 7x57's as long as I can build a rifle out of a M98 and get brass.

A few years ago Remington chambered their 700 Mountain Rifle in 7x57 and I passed up an excellent deal on a new one the local gun/hardware store had clearanced. Still kicking myself.

I do have a Chilean Mauser 95 in 7x57 that's fun to shoot, but I've never done much more with it than make it go bang with surplus ammo and light handloads. -WSJ

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Originally posted by KY Nimrod:
I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

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I'm all for it! I now have three of them myself (used to have more!!), and if limited to just one rifle, I'd keep my Ruger No.1A in 7X57mm. With it, and the correct load, I could take any animal on this planet.

It seems to me that any standard length Model 98 Mauser made for the 8X57mm round is also the correct length for the 7X57mm. I do have a Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 7X57, and it, of course, has a magazine made specifically for the 7X57mm, but the long-bullet load. So there's excess room in the front of the magazine for short, pointed lightweight bullet loads. Some of my handloads are as long as 3.2", so IMO the 7X57mm is not a short-action round. From an economic standpoint, no manufacturer would make an action just for the 7X57mm, and if they did, which load would it be dimensioned for? You'd have to make the action long enough for the load with the longest overall loaded length, and that action already exists-the regular old M98 Mauser!

A funny thing about the way Americans view the 7x57 is that they think its a popular cartridge in Europe. It really hasn't been since the 7x64 came along many years ago. The cartridge that seems to be undergoing a renaissance in Germany right now is the old 8X57.

Hamish,

I have nearly 500 firearms in my personal collection, over 1/2 inherited from my Father, and an inventory of around 150 in my business. Like the Doobie Brothers song Hotel California, most firearms that check-in at the Hotel 260Remguy can check-out anytime they like, but they can never, well seldom, leave.

I think that the original 1898 Mauser was designed around the 7.9x57 with a long 205(?) grain RN FMJ bullet. Later, maybe beginning with the 1908 Brazilian contract with DWM, the "intermediate length" action was introduced specifically for the 7x57 and 7.65x53 rifles that were, mostly, sold to South American countries. I'm not much of a military Mauser guy, having only 7 of them; 2 Mexican small rings, 2 1908 Brazilians, an 1896 Swed, a 1938 Swed, and a 24/30 Venezualian.

Of the recent commercial 7x57s, my favorites are the Remington 700 Mountain Rifle, Ruger 77 RSI, a non-cataloged limited run, the Winchester 70 Featherweight.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Ted Gorsline:
A funny thing about the way Americans view the 7x57 is that they think its a popular cartridge in Europe. It really hasn't been since the 7x64 came along many years ago. The cartridge that seems to be undergoing a renaissance in Germany right now is the old 8X57.

Interesting. I would have thought that the 7x57 was more common/popular than the 7x64. I like the old 8x57 too!

-Bob F.

I have 3 different 7 x 57s... two Rugers and one Winchester Featherweight....

All are long actions and all are long throated...That is EXACTLY the way I like them...

I wish more rifles came with long throats...it can turn the rifle into a totally different animal....

My 1917 Enfield is long throated and handloaded ammo, in it, versus my other commercial 06s, I can get several hundred feet more velocity out of the heavier bullets....

My Winchester Featherweight was picked up in Mint condition... and I only paid $300.00 for it at a local Gunshop... It was so cheap because it was in an "oddball" caliber... everyone looking at it, putting it back because of the caliber....

Took me about 3 seconds to make that decision...
Previous owner had put a timney trigger in it and a really nice custom recoil pad.. and it had a set of Leupold Bases and rings already on it....

It is a tack driver with whatever I put down the barrel....

I put a 3 x9 Leupold I have with a German Heavy Number one reticle on it...

I wouldn't sell it for 4 or 5 times what I paid for it... particularly since it would be hard to find a featherweight that I could just rebarrel to one...

cheers
seafire

Oops! That was Hotel California by the Eagles, not the Doobie Brothers. Different bands, same era.

Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by seafire/B17G:

All are long actions and all are long throated...That is EXACTLY the way I like them...

I wish more rifles came with long throats...it can turn the rifle into a totally different animal....

HALLELUJAH and AMEN. Someone got it right. And you can start with the .243, .260, 7-08,.308etc.****** roger

quote:

Originally posted by 260remguy:
Oops! That was Hotel California by the Eagles, not the Doobie Brothers. Different bands, same era.

Jeff

A mistake like that could only be cause by too much doobie!

Dear BFaucett,

This isn't chiseled in stone but gun club gossip tells me the 7x64 replaced the 7x57, the 30-06 replaced the 7x64 and the 308 replaced the 30-06 and that now their is an 8x57 revival.

Only RWS knows for sure.

I personally don't understand the action issues, so what of the normal std length ('.30-06 length') actions are longer than really needs be? Its a few mm at best, as as above, long action, long throats, all the better!

Is it such an issue?? Its the WSM fad where magazines seems to think that if it isn't on a short action its a terrible rifle???

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

Originally posted by KY Nimrod:
I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

Yes....and this is the single biggest detriment to the X x 57 family. If you don't mind blocked magazines the M-70 was a fine gun for that.....the Interarms also furnished a blocked magazine for that as well.....

But the entire family really don't have a good home.....

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?type=Rifle&...x=22&imagefield.y=14

The Ruger No. 1 RSI seems like a good home for such a fine cartridge. And the magazine and action length are perfectly suited to the X x 57 series of catridges.

quote:

Originally posted by Clem:

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

Originally posted by KY Nimrod:
I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

Yes....and this is the single biggest detriment to the X x 57 family. If you don't mind blocked magazines the M-70 was a fine gun for that.....the Interarms also furnished a blocked magazine for that as well.....

But the entire family really don't have a good home.....

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?type=Rifle&...x=22&imagefield.y=14

The Ruger No. 1 RSI seems like a good home for such a fine cartridge. And the magazine and action length are perfectly suited to the X x 57 series of catridges.

You made your point well....but in defense of my point I'd add that I don't consider the Ruger #1 a good home for any cartridge.

More on the 7 X 57.....It's sandwiched between the 280 Remington and the 7MM-08 Remington and either are roughly equivalent in performance.....the only thing the 7MM Mauser has going for it is tradition and history.

One shouldn't poo poo that or neglect it or diminish it. It'll always be remembered and cherished in the custom shops of the world. However if it disappears from the production rifle arena it's not really much of a loss.

While it may not be much of a loss to you, it will be a huge loss to others, myself included. Tom Purdom

I guess if you are a nostalgic type this cartridge truely belongs on a Mauser action of appropriate length.

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Anyone want to see a 7x57mm Revival?

yes! and let all the short fatties become a fond memory. I have often scratched my head that we humans opped for something new and different without regard for what we have that is proven great.roger

I have been hoarding 2 G.33/40 actions that I purchased several years ago. Guess what caliber both will become starting next year?

I do most of my mule deer hunting with a P.O. Ackley built 7x57 and it is one of my absolute favorites. It is balanced, efficient, effective on game, and has the type of historical pedigree that makes it extremely interesting and fun to use. I was saddened to hear of CZ ceasing importation of the caliber, and of Ruger dropping it from their line of bolt rifles. I wish I would have picked up a Mannlicher stocked CZ in the caliber as it would have been an ideal deer rifle. I e-mailed CZ a while back for the same purpose and basically recieved the same response that you did. It looks like I had better bug them again. I sure as hell hope they bring it back. P.O. Ackley was discussing this caliber my father in his Salt Lake City shop years ago and he used to say that if it were renamed with a fancy non-metric name, and reintroduced to the shooting public, it would be one of the great all time sellers(he was referring to the period following WWII).

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Originally posted by KY Nimrod:
I'd like to see someone make a 7X57 in an action made for the cartridge...not a standard long action.

Careful! I got lambasted for such a suggestion?

Seems like quite a few folks don't care that most actions are made with the 375 H&H in mind?
They seem to be fond of those magazine blocks
used to make things fit "right".

Vapo is right about Winchester being quite
fond of the magazine block. I never did
like the model 70, but damn....I bet a short
action minus that damn block would hold the
7X57 just about right? I might just find a
stainless Winnie short action and give it a try!

But then again, I just can;t make myself pay
the rape-rate prices currently asked for a
rather shoddy product!

quote:

it's not really much of a loss.

As a handloader, I am lucky.... Nothing is a loss to US as long as we can get something to make the brass out of and bullets in that bore size are available.....

Purists will keep a 7 x 57 alive for a long time... regardless of ammo sales....

Old cartridges seem to go thru revival circles every ten year or more....

I have tons of literature that was predicting the 220 Swift will be ancient history before long.... and other literature swearing to what a great replacement cartridge the 225 Winchester is going to be....or how great the 358 Winchester is... or the 45/70 is about dead...

on and on and on...

quote:

Originally posted by kayaker:
I personally don't understand the action issues, so what of the normal std length ('.30-06 length') actions are longer than really needs be? Its a few mm at best, as as above, long action, long throats, all the better!

Is it such an issue?? Its the WSM fad where magazines seems to think that if it isn't on a short action its a terrible rifle???

Nah, being too long doesn't matter much. At
least until you try and put the excellent
Leupold 2.5X8 scope on it!

Some guys like trying to make magnums out of standard cartridges too! I guess long actions and excessive freebore is necessary for that?

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Originally posted by 9.3 rifleman:
I do most of my mule deer hunting with a P.O. Ackley built 7x57 and it is one of my absolute favorites. It is balanced, efficient, effective on game, and has the type of historical pedigree that makes it extremely interesting and fun to use. I was saddened to hear of CZ ceasing importation of the caliber, and of Ruger dropping it from their line of bolt rifles. I wish I would have picked up a Mannlicher stocked CZ in the caliber as it would have been an ideal deer rifle. I e-mailed CZ a while back for the same purpose and basically recieved the same response that you did. It looks like I had better bug them again. I sure as hell hope they bring it back. P.O. Ackley was discussing this caliber my father in his Salt Lake City shop years ago and he used to say that if it were renamed with a fancy non-metric name, and reintroduced to the shooting public, it would be one of the great all time sellers(he was referring to the period following WWII).

Your logic is quite good! I have a friend who
owns a sports car that will do pretty close to
200 mph. and only seats two people. Maximum
speed limit here is 65 mph. on seleted roads,
and 55 every where else.

I certainly don't get it? But apparently
he does?

quote:

Originally posted by 22WRF:
I have been hoarding 2 G.33/40 actions that I purchased several years ago. Guess what caliber both will become starting next year?

7 X 64? Wasting space or planning
on a Weatherby style freebore?

quote:

But then again, I just can;t make myself pay
the rape-rate prices currently asked for a
rather shoddy product! stir pissers

The high price is simply the market disagreeing with your quality assessment.....maybe?

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

But then again, I just can;t make myself pay
the rape-rate prices currently asked for a
rather shoddy product! stir pissers

The high price is simply the market disagreeing with your quality assessment.....maybe?

Could also be speculators thinking
they are gonna make a bundle off a few cow-kissing diehards?



Could be? No arguement here. Like it has been said, does explain why someone(?) kissed a cow?

It would be a rather boring world if we all liked the same things?

The 7x57 has never cooled off in my safe. I just shot one last night a high dollar Charles Daly I bought for $279 brand new and mounted a 2-7x Nikon for $269 on it. It shot another .660 three shot group with 140 TSX's at 3000 fps. I do most of my hunting with the 7x57 and have for 25 years, killing everything from coyotes to kudu. It has the rich history for the same reason the .30-06 does, because it is deserved. Cases can be made from .30-06's, I'd rather do that than change calibers.

I for one would love to buy a decent 7x57 at a reasonable price. Over the years, I was foolish to pass up good deals on Model 70 Featherweights, Ruger M77's, Rem. 700 MTN rifles and CZ's. All are good rifles. I didn't have a lot of urgency to buy one because I didn't think we would ever be without choices. I was wrong. I kept spending my gun budget on bigger and faster, but planning to buy a 7x57 eventually.

A couple of years ago, I spoke with the folks at Kimber about a 7x57 when the long action was still in the planning phase. He said that there had been interest from others in that caliber and it was a real possibility when they got around to producing the long action. I figure their classically styled rifles were begging for classic calibers like .257 Bob or 7x57. Well now that the long action is here, there is no 7x57. I was told at the SCI convention by the Kimber folks that there would not be one - there was no interest. Buy an 84 in 7-08 he said. He just didn't understand!

i have one more rifle i'm going to have built(to which my wife says, "yeah...right!!!). it will be a 7x57 on a brno 98/22 action and a lothar walther barrel. but on the barrel it'll say "275 Rigby".

cheers

I like all of the 7mm bores but the 7x57 is really a tweener in todays rifle market. Too big for a short action & too long for a std. action. If I were to get one it would eb a custom job on M98, classy.

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Originally posted by fredj338:
I like all of the 7mm bores but the 7x57 is really a tweener in todays rifle market. Too big for a short action & too long for a std. action. If I were to get one it would eb a custom job on M98, classy.

Fred,

I bet it would fit nicely on a Winchester short action with the magazine block removed! Would
require a new barrel though?

I was considering doing this on a stainless featherweight until the prices got rediculous.