Anyone loading this bullet in their 06? What is your load and what kind of results are you getting?

Am working with this bullet now. Don't have much to report yet, except that the Accubond is ACCURATE! Groups of an inch at 100 yards are normal. Am using IMR 4350 and H4831SC. The rifle is a Mannlicher-Schoenauer
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Mannlicher-Schoenauer Collector

While I can get it straight from the horses mouth, could either ofyou tell me the length of the .30cal 200gn accubond?

the length on mine are .492, some were up to .494 but by far most are .492.

in the standard /06 you might try vit. n-560 w/ the 200grn accubond. i have an improved that i was getting 2850' with, i believe that 2750' plus is realistic in the standard.

bounty hunter

Hey boilerroom

One of my most accurate loads. I use 59.5 gr RL22 and a Fed 215M primer for about 2725. Have not actually shot anything with it yet but it carries a lot of energy downrange. Matches the Burris Ballistic Plex or the Swarovski TDS reticles too.

For some reason the 200 gr TSX will not stabilize well at those velocities. Too long I guess. Had some keyholing with it.

From my own experimenting with loading the 200 A-Frame I used RL22 and IMR7828 and from a 22" barrel I consider it possible to reach 2,700'/sec.

I truly believe the pressures were over 62,000 PSI at that point however but have no way of proving it.

Great stuff. Thanks guys.

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Originally posted by bounty hunter:
the length on mine are .492, some were up to .494 but by far most are .492. ...

Hey BH, That looks a bit short for a 30cal bullet. Is there supposed to be an additional 1" in front of those numbers?

h c

just checking to see if you were paying attention everyone knows that .30 cal. bullets are over an inch long, except me i guess. THANKS for the correction, what's in an inch.
i hope that your family is well and that you will be able to do a little hunting this fall.

b h

I have worked up 62.5 grains ( of H 4831 SC) with that bullet with no pressure signs in both a 1917 Enfield and a Model 70 ( 1994 production)......

Both loads were seated to magazine length... if you try it, work up....as always...

cheers
seafire

62.5 gr of just any powder Seafire?

Sure Boiler, why not!

This classifies strictly as a senior moment!

Corrected above...

Thanks for the "idiot check" there Boiler....

cheers
eh?
seafire

It happens to the youngest of us.

Hey BH, Thank you. Had one bad day this week, but it resulted in knowing exactly what was wrong with that one, now it can be fixed.
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Have you had a chance to Test any of those Accubonds on Game? How did they do for you?

I'm always surprised when I hear someone mention they were able to recover one of them. Looks like an outstanding Design.

h c

no sir i haven't hunted with them. these are the loads that i was using when i had my "incident" with my /06AI a while back. for what it's worth after i replaced the stock and went back to the range the rifle didn't seem to shoot the 200 grainers as well as it did with the wooden stock, but seemed to shoot 180 grainers better. it actually shoots hornady interbonds better than the accubonds so that's what i am going to use. i may try some tsx's before i make a final decision though. it was hard for me to believe that using a kevlar stock would change everything as far as a load is concerned, it is like starting over almost.

b h

Hey BH, You just never know how a rifle is going to react to any kind of alteration or change. It must have somehow changed the Barrel Harmonic on you.

But, I also hear good things about the Hornady Interbonded. And I believe the only bad thing I've ever heard about the "current" TSX was the price being a bit high. But, Premium Bullets command premium prices.

Best of luck with it.

in the 06 the powder of choice to use behind the 200 gn proj is R 22 or NORMA MRP....just work up til you hit 2700-2720 and you are running at about 62000 psi,,,in a 24 inch barrel
with the longer proj like the 200 TSX work up to a velocity of 2650
those 200 gn proj are a really underestimated load in the 06
regards daniel

I'm getting 1" groups now using a couple of powders and the velocity is sitting around 2600 fps. I'm going to try and creep it up a bit I think.

I'm shooting a 22" barrel.

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And I believe the only bad thing I've ever heard about the "current" TSX was the price being a bit high.

That's never a criticism in my book.....we knew the price when we bought them.....can't complain about it later.

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
I have worked up 62.5 grains ( of H 4831 SC) with that bullet with no pressure signs in both a 1917 Enfield and a Model 70 ( 1994 production)......

Both loads were seated to magazine length... if you try it, work up....as always...

cheers
seafire

Any chrono results for that load? In my '06, (24" bbl) I found 59 grains of old H4831 to be max-MV was 2680 FPS average. Yours must be a lot higher!

Here are some QL recommendations - note the Re25 and Retumbo loads, especially the latter at ~59,000 PSI. The others are at 65,000 PSI. My experience with Re25 indicates it's a great powder. These loads are clearly compressed loads, but that should not be a problem. Reloader line 19/22/25 is a superior line of powder - each likely the same powder but with increasing amounts of burn-rate retandants.


Cartridge: .30-06 Spring.
Bullet: .308, 200, NOS AccuBond 54618
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.360 inch
Barrel Length: 24.0 inch Predicted Data for

Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 65000 psi or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 120 %

C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder/grs/velocity

Alliant Reloder-25/ 62.4/ 2817

Vihtavuori N560/60.6/2807
Accurate MAGPRO/63.2/2797
Alliant Reloder-22/60.2/2792
Winchester WXR/60.4/2791
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy)/64.3/2783
IMR 7828 SSC/59.8/ 2778

Hodgdon Retumbo/ 63.2/2749/58974 psi

Ramshot Hunter/56.9/2745
Alliant Reloder-19/57.5/2743
Winchester 760/55.1/2739
Hodgdon H4831 SC/60.3/2736
Hodgdon H1000/62.9/2734

I used to have a Sauer lightweight 30-06 with a lightweight fluted 22" barrel that I had a helluva time finding a load for.

Finally got around to trying 200 gr bullets. Here are the loads I tried and results according to my spreadsheet

200 gr TSX 58.5 RL 22 @ 2522 fps - keyhole
200 gr TSX 59 RL 22 @ 2532 fps - still keyhole
200 gr Accubond 58.5 gr RL 22 @ 2581 - 1 1/4"

I guess the TSX bullets were too long to stabilize and even though the Accubonds were long also, they did stabilize. Next I tried the following

200 gr Accubond 60 gr RL 22 @ 2675 - 3/4"
200 gr Accubond 60.5 gr RL 22 @ 2696 - 1 1/2"
200 gr Accubond 61 gr RL 22 @ 2713 - 2"

Since then that problem gun shot several groups an inch or less with the 60 gr RL 22 load.

I would say that there should be an Optimal Charge Weight of RL 22 right around 60 gr RL 22. Maybe we could get Hot Core to do an OCW test for us and put a strain gauge on the barrel to test pressure on that load.

It looks like my best powder for this bullets right now is IMR 7828. I need to pick up some SSC though. Powder is crawling up the neck and these bullets are looong.