Hi there everyone,

I am going on a hunt in 2 weeks and my son keeps bugging me to let him have a go of the 270, The trouble is that he is only 7 and 1 fear a 270 at full kick might hurt the little bugger
Using AR 2008 can someone recommend a weak load so he can have a few shots

Cheers

Heath

Case: Rem
Primer: WLR
Powder: 53gr of H4831SC
Bullet: 140gr TSX
COL: 3.335 (for the load I tested)

This load produced .49 inch groups at 100yds for me when I tested it. It has considerably mild recoil for the .270. Only problem is that when I moved out to 200, it dropped about 6 inches. Group still stayed under an inch though. I'm trying to work up a hotter load now, but I am glad I found that one for the kids to shoot.

Beefa,
I shot a load one time with 110 or 100 gr Hornady Psp's one time with IMR 4064 and got a fairly nice group I think it was around .75 or .80 and I really liked it. The recouil was extremely mild for that gun. I cannot remember the powder charge so I would work it up if you are interested. If you need the bullets send me a PM. Good Luck.

Both my kids have been gleefully shooting their 270's with the Hodgdon youth loads using H4895.

Be warned, though, that at 7, that still kicks a good bit.

It's amazing, however, watching a 10 year old boy with a new rifle, a bucket of ammo, and a box of range-pickup clay targets on a berm.

"Dad, I'm out of shells!"

Good thing the barrels don't get hot easily with these loads.... FWIW, Dutch.

I might to tempted to hold off and make him wait a year or so. I believe if you "reward him" with the .270 later you will gain and train him to put off gratification. I also believe you are playing a very edgy card by trying to download a round that will still seriously kick and could hurt him enough to scae him off on recoil. If he thinks the downloaded round kicks "what about the full load, that kicks way too hard for me".
Of course there are those who believe that kids need to "grow up" and live in the real world. Like throwing them into creeks and letting them "learn" as they swim out.
All in how you believe your son should be raised.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Frank

I think Seafire can really help you out here. Youth deer loads are his forte.He's been working on it a long time. roger

quote:

Originally posted by Beefa:
Hi there everyone,

I am going on a hunt in 2 weeks and my son keeps bugging me to let him have a go of the 270, The trouble is that he is only 7 and 1 fear a 270 at full kick might hurt the little bugger
Using AR 2008 can someone recommend a weak load so he can have a few shots

Cheers

Heath

Try duplicating some of these:
Remington Managed Recoil Loads

quote:

Originally posted by Beefa:
Hi there everyone,

I am going on a hunt in 2 weeks and my son keeps bugging me to let him have a go of the 270, The trouble is that he is only 7 and 1 fear a 270 at full kick might hurt the little bugger
Using AR 2008 can someone recommend a weak load so he can have a few shots

Cheers

Heath

I certainly hope you plan to let him shoot targets with the thing before the hunt, and prove that he is proficient enough to put a bullet where it needs to go before you turn him loose on the deer population??

Beefa;

First thanks for Roger Bartsche giving me a little fan fair...

The real idea to reduce recoil is the less powder used the better... this can result in other problems such as case position etc...

I have been working with the 270 lately for some friend's kids to start shooting... If AA2008 is equal to the H 4831SC marketed in the USA, that is NOT the powder to use..

I have also not had what I consider decent accuracy out of H 4895 reduced loads.. some can be accurate, but you have to do a lot of loading to find the rigth combo for accuracy to be worth a darn...

Several other powders do not require all that searching to give an accurate load...

These are powders that are common enough in the USA... not sure about down in OZ or NZ where ever you are posting from...These powders are also not position sensitive in the case...If you have access to any cast bullet load data, you can get a lot of loads out of those also...

However, my three powder recommendations would be as follows... not in any particular order...

IMR 4227, IMR SR 4759....Alliant Blue Dot ....

Blue Dot can be loaded down to just 10 grains and worked up to a max load of 24 grains of so with a 130 grain bullet....

SR 4759 can be worked up from a start load of 12-14 grains all the way up to about 32 grains...

IMR 4227 can also be worked up from about 14 grains to a max of about 32 grains...

I have loaded up some 130 grain Ballistic tips for a friends son, who is 12 with 30 grains of iMR 4227 that he will be using this season... We started him off shooting the 270 with just the 10 grains of Blue Dot and worked up from there....

20 grains of IMR 4227 or SR 4759 should make a decent 150 yd or better deer sized game load...

Best of luck..
seafire

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/270win_y.php There is the linke to the youth loads listed on Hodgdon site. The 140 gr load listed above in another post will kick the snot out of any kid. Its a full power load. You won't need anything like that for deer. I've had GREAT accuracy with H4895 in my 30/06 in light charges. Any load will give enough accuracy for deer at ranges a 7 year old will be shooting. That load should kick about like a .243. Add some weight to the rifle if you can,a bipod will take a pound off the recoil. The MAIN thing is use hearing protection as that translates more into starting a flinch and pain as the actual kick. I have Brittle Bone disease and weigh about 120 pounds and if I can shoot that load easy I think your son can also. Again use muffs! Enjoy hunting with him, the memories you'll make,even if they arn't all pleasent at first,will be more valuable to you years from now than ANY giant buck you'll ever bag. And thats the truth. FNMauser

You dodn't mention the experience level of your kid, but I'm assuming a 7 year old hasn't done much shooting at all. A .22RF is a great way to teach basic marksmanship...Let him burn a few bricks to 'earn' the right to try the .270.

Get a youth stock! No 7 year old will be able to handle an adult sized stock...that alone would disqualify this experiment in my mind. A scope cut could ruin him for years on shooting...

If you are determined to go through it get something that reasonably fit him so he can keep it on his shoulder.

If the rifle has sights, take the scope off so he doesn't have to crawl down the stock.

Start with light bullets and light powder loads. For the first few, who cares if it is a 3" load...the kid will need practice to shoot that good. At the ranges he will be capable of hitting a deer, a 3" load will do fine!

Make it FUN! You may make a pest of him though, as you won't get to the range without company anymore.

Good luck!