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I've only seen one, several years back at a gun show. Guy was asking $1,900 for it. Ugliest gun I ever saw, but one of the best feeling I've ever held. I've thought about getting one several times, but never have done it. Guess it's the two grand for something that looks like it came from Mattel turns me off.
If I were to build a scout type rifle, I would start with a good military Mauser action, and lighten thing up as much as possible. I know. How light can you make a Mauser? They're too heavy to work with, right? No way. My super ultra-light .308 is built on a Steyr Mauser action and weighs exactly five pounds with scope, sling and a full magazine. So yes, it can be done.
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...Was it a huge flop?

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... Why does a flush mount sling swivel dig into your back?

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If you don't like the setup don't buy one.

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Sorry you have to trash the other fellow's idea.

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I went out of my way to say that the things that concerned me from a "Military Standpoint" were basically of no concern if a civilian wanted to use one, with the exception of the Scope Flare.



bartche, If the Germans want to deal with it in battle, it is fine with me. Same with those of you that like the Concept. Just don't ever expect a US MARINE to be put in harms way because of having to carry one - it won't happen!



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You all do have my curosity up about how a person can explain Crazyquik's question without giving both pluses and minuses as far as the design. Are you and bartche suggesting we should keep the features I(and apparently the vast majority of rifle buyers) consider "negative" a secret from him?



Where did you and bartche read that Crazyquik was "only interested" in reading from people who like them? Throw it in a "quote" and I'll go back and "delete" my posts.



And yes indeed, I believe it was a COLONEL FLOP(larger than a Major Flop) . Very few have been sold or made to the Colonel's exact specification.



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That in no way a slam on any of you that have them, I just don't like the design. And I harbor no ill feelings toward any of you folks that spent your money on them. Just don't expect me to do the same.



Now, how `bout my questions? Do you wingshoot a good bit? Do you consider yourself a good shotgun shooter?



By the way, I'm not implying the Colonel Concept rifles shoot "patterns" like a shotgun. Rather I'm wondering if you are drawn to the Concept because it "handles" similar to a shotgun.



Other than the light weight(which I mentioned I have a lot of light rifles), what is it in the Colonel's Concept that you REALLY like that is different from a regular rifle and why? Maybe we can agree on those points?!?!?!

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Probably the thing I like best about the scout design is that my panaramic vision isn't blocked by a scope 3" away from my eye. You can easily see your target ,swing and get on it almost like using a shot gun. I wouldn't think of trying to force a Marine or anyone else for that matter to carry one in battle any more than I would make them use a .223 cartridge in combat. roger

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Hey Roger, The similarity in being able to use it similar to a shotgun is the one thing that has always intrigued me. That is why I had the "Wingshot" questions. I can see where moving the scope forward allows the shooter to keep both eyes open and it will provide a muzzle heavy feel to assist with the follow-through. It seems like a good match for someone who spends a good bit of time with a shotgun.

And I "believe" I can see where the Scout Scope needs to be of "low power" so as not to confuse the visual picture, or am I wrong about that? Will a higher power on the Scope negate the advantage of being able to have both eyes open?

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Then the question comes to mind, what kind of Game will the person be shooting at that requires moving the rifle like a shotgun?

I've spent a good bit of time in our Southeastern USA Swamps using a short barrel M870 shotgun while Deer hunting. In my case, I primarily had "Open Sights" with the old shotgun 2-Bead sighting arrangement having been used the most. I did try another shotgun set-up for Turkey hunting that had "Adjustable Irons" and found it slow to align for me. I believe this was simply due to so many years of using the 2-bead sight system. I've tried Iron Sighted rifles and found them to also be slower than the Beads for me when Deer pop-up just in front of me.

Tried a Red Dot that a buddy had on a shotgun which he loves for Varmints and Turkeys. Here the Sight kept snagging on the vines, briers and limbs as I pushed through the tangles. It seemed like they would get "tied around" the Red Dot and I'd have to stop to clear it. The M870s 2-Bead sights also "snag" from time to time, but most of the stuff is big enough to slip over the Beads.

So, what are you hunting that having the Scope forward where you can keep both eyes open is an advantage?

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223Rem Now, that indeed is an interesting cartridge. I REALLY didn't like them "at first", but will conceed that I now have changed my opinion "slightly". When we went in harms way, we could choose what we took and the real old M-16s did have a place. I never got comfortable with them for the very l-o-n-g serious shots. But, fortunately we could choose what specific fire-power we wanted.

Back here though, the 223Rem is one of my absolutely favorite Varmint rounds.

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...one never knows what's going to come out, be it Roedeer, Wild boar or Red deer (= weight bracket : 55 - 550 lbs) ); hence the popularity of the 9,3's. I normally (= fair weather ) carry an FN-Browning 9,3x74R O/U.

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I'm building my third scout as we speak. I'm trying to mount the 2X scope as low as possible. This will require me to design the mounting block to be very short and light. I was an ASA member for many years and enjoyed the at times strong competition and rewards. When I could no longer bring two beads and a clay into focus any more( fuzzy picture) I gave it up. A scope offers one flat image and a scout as we've discussed gives an old blind guy that and a nice panaramic view. Lining up a rear sight ,front sight and target isn't attainable by me anymore.I try but I'm really bad at it. Another advantage over the open sights is that the sight radius is of no importance any more so accuracy can be obtained with a much shorter, lighter barrel. The introduction of a compensator counter acts the increase in recoil introduced by the reduction in mass.

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Some day, should we choose, we can discuss our governments history of outfiting the grunts. My first issued M1 Grand come off the front lines in Korea. The rifling was almost non existant. But that's a story for another time.

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...They're still handmade ...Despite being 22 seasons "old", it's still in near pristine state but then, it gets babied ; I carry it to my stand in a soft leather case and when the weather forecast is too bad, I take my above posted "scout" instead. BTW, not to contradict you but what you term "worst case", I call "best"

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Hey Andr�, Thanks for the flicks. That sure is a fine looking piece of craftsmanship. If you had not mentioned the age, I would have been off by all those 22 years. It is quite a firearm.

I hear you about the bad weather. Some of my best(if not the best) hunting I've done is either in a light drizzle or right after a rain with everything dripping.

Even had a Kimber 22LR that worried me to the point that I could not enjoy taking it afield because it "might" get a drop of water on that deep blueing - traded it off. The very last rifle I swapped for is Blue & Wood, but they don't make it in S&S - yet.

Also totally agree with your take on "worst case". I most certainly meant from the point of "hardest to cleanly kill".

Best of luck keeping that FN-Browning "out of the weather" and good hunting to you!!!