While the .270 has never been my favorite caliber I have often found it chambered in rifles I really like and have killed more deer with this caliber than any other as a result. I just won a Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional .270 Win with double set triggers and a Bausch & Lomb 2.5x8 scope on Gunbroker. The Model M Professional has always fit me better than any other stock for some reason. I have had more than 5 of these rifles nd they have all shot under 3/4" but for some reason I sell them and try something else but keep coming back to them. I am trying to decide if I should keep it as a .270 or send it to JES and make it a 9.3x62mm

A .270 to a 9.3x62 is kind of an apple & orange comparison isn't it? They are quite different from each other.

I'm not a .270 guy, I like the 7mm's better and they both do overlap each other quite a bit. But if somebody gave me a .270 I'm sure I could figure out something to use it on!

I have always wanted another 9.3x62mm since I had to sell a Brno I had rebored to that caliber. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor which will cover the same range the .270 covers.

So you brought a 270 Steyr at auction.

As you know the 270 is a fine caliber for a lot of game.

The 9.3 is a fine caliber too do you need one most likely not.

If you want model M in one why not.

If one was using it to hunt game bigger then deer at closer range's.

I could justify it easily.

If you just want a confirmation to spend the money you have mine go ahead.

Of course the 270 is a fine and capable cartridge that does most everything in N America well and wanting a 9.3x62 is good thinking as it is a great round although range limited for western hunting, but I would not send it to JES for reboring, huge mistake.
Too many people I know that have had major issues with his work and he acts unaccountable for his mistakes actually vindictive, pick a different option.

Yes you need a 270, and this comes from a guy whose family treated the 270 as a heracey.

How did I come to love the 270 Win? I bought my wife one of the last South Carolina Model Super Grade that was better than the catalog picture. I put an older VXIII Leoupold on it. Then it set in one of my gun cabinets for years.

Last year I went back to Austria for Fallow Deer. I hunti with mostly 375s and larger because I like them for everything. But I was looking over the gun cabinets trying to decide who got to go. There was the 270 Win I named Brighton.

Then the gears turned. The first scoped Rifle I ever shot was a scoped post 64 270 Winchester. I had never shot anything with a Winchester or a caliber smaller than 284. I also felt bad the beautiful supergrade had not been used.

I shot the year with 140 grain Accubonds Winchester blackbox.

At one hundred yards up hill with one shot, I brought a 210 plus pound Fallow before gutting on a electric scale tumbling down the hill with pink lung blood gushing out both sides. He did not take a step just came rolling down. I did not strike the spine. A 30/06 could not do any better.

I went on to shoot two small boars. One shot was through the hip joint. The bullet unzipped the offside flank doing the gutting for us. The second I shot out of the same stand severed the spine on its brother running diagonally away.

That fall I shot a doe dead center, as if you drew a line with it, between the eyes on a doe at 115 yards, and centered punched another doe the next morning through the heart and before she could fall through the center of both shoulder blades.

My wife refuses to admit Brighton is not hers even though she abandoned her. I have bought a Montana Arms 270 Win SS with a new VXIII on top. I will be taking it on a Fed Deer Hunt next October with 140 grain Accubonds.

So, in one year I have fired the 270 Win at five animals and got violent exit wounds on all 6 shots as reported above.

In short, I love the 270 Win. A lot of performance and no recoil. In the US The 270 Win seems to be losing ground as I became infatuated with it to the 6.5 Creedmore. Unless you are really wanting to stretch a barrel. Then I think it is really a difference in bullet design. I will stay with the 270 Win after waiting 20 years to allow myself to love it. My uncles only shoot 30 caliber and bigger, but after deer season last year one went out and bought a new 270 Winchester.

I would keep the 270 and get a 9.3x62 as it’s big brother. That is what I did, but my 270s stable mates are 375 Rugers. There is room for both and more overlap than one would think.

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Of course the 270 is a fine and capable cartridge that does most everything in N America well and wanting a 9.3x62 is good thinking as it is a great round although range limited for western hunting, but I would not send it to JES for reboring, huge mistake.
Too many people I know that have had major issues with his work and he acts unaccountable for his mistakes actually vindictive, pick a different option.

I have had nothing but good dealings with JES on three rebores. He has always been polite and willing to talk about the job and what he could do and was very helpful in his recommendations.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Yes you need a 270, and this comes from a guy whose family treated the 270 as a heracey.

How did I come to love the 270 Win?

Ahhh Grasshopper! Wisdom has favored you late, but favor you she did!

In looking to complete a 3-barrel set for my Blaser (I had a 375 and 300 WM), I settled on the moribund 270 Win as the light barrel. Even after all these years, it's still hard to beat.

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Originally posted by pacecars:

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Of course the 270 is a fine and capable cartridge that does most everything in N America well and wanting a 9.3x62 is good thinking as it is a great round although range limited for western hunting, but I would not send it to JES for reboring, huge mistake.
Too many people I know that have had major issues with his work and he acts unaccountable for his mistakes actually vindictive, pick a different option.

I have had nothing but good dealings with JES on three rebores. He has always been polite and willing to talk about the job and what he could do and was very helpful in his recommendations.

Plenty of people have had great dealings with him when things turned out alright. The true measure of a good business is when they do make a mistake and how they deal with it.
I helped a friend recover his rifle from JES and it was a mess of the worst kind and not only was he non communicative for months but vindictive in the end when he threw it all in a box with a replacement barrel not packaged with any respect so all of it bounced around.
That is piss poor business.
There are numerous stories out there like this but there is also a following on here of people kissing his butt.
Take your pick but after dealing with that one rifle recovery and hearing of a few other issues I wouldn't recommend him to an enemy...

Back on topic, .270 is a great flat shooting cartridge for all types of game, very effective and flat shooting, non belted magnum so to speak.

Keeping it simple-

Keep the 270 as is.

buy a 9.3x62 already made as a second rifle.

A conclusion I reached many many years ago is that all the calibres work and the best is the one you just simply like a lot. If you have a calibre (or rifle) you don't like then anything wrong with it becomes very annoying and at the back of your mind you don't want it to work etc.

As Mike said ^^.

Ive had a 270 since it was the first rifle I bought with my own money in 1974. Sometimes several of them. Sometimes it was my only rifle. They work. I think what your rifle set looks like depends on where you start. I always started at 270.

One day I sold off a bunch and I had no 270s. What? So I had to get going and get another one. After going up, back, over and trying lots of rifles and makes in different calibers I can say I wish I had just gone with the 270s and the 300 Weatherby Mag in Model 70. I sure learned a lot and had fun trying the others but I am back to where I started better than before.

I have a 270 and a 9.3x62. I love my 9.3, but I find myself taking the 270 afield unless the game I’m after is quite large. It has preformed well so far on deer and hogs.

I like that the recoil is minimal, even in a light rifle. I also like that ammo is easy to find. During the Obama era, Walmart would be cleared out of your 30-06 and 308, but always had a box of 270. Silly reason to buy a caliber, but sure is nice to be able to find ammo in a pinch.

Pacecars - Read through these threads and make your own decision about JES reboring.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3061008432/p/1

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Originally posted by pacecars:
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor which will cover the same range the .270 covers.

Really? Well, the 6.5 Creedmoor will certainly kill a deer, or a pronghorn, or even an elk. But the velocity, trajectory, range, and power of a 6.5 Creedmoor is somewhat less than that of a full-blown .270 load. When you get right down to it, neither cartridge will kill an animal any deader than a .250 Savage (the parent cartridge of the Creedmoor), but the .270 will do it with more authority, at a greater distance, and with less compensation for drop. The .270 is a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge and is what I select among the rifles I own in dozens of calibers when I am serious about medium-sized game.

I will probably just keep it as a .270 for now anyway. When I need more power (or when I don’t) I reach for my Shiloh Sharps .45-100 so I am good there and would not hesitate to tackle anything on this continent for sure.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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Originally posted by pacecars:
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor which will cover the same range the .270 covers.

Really? Well, the 6.5 Creedmoor will certainly kill a deer, or a pronghorn, or even an elk. But the velocity, trajectory, range, and power of a 6.5 Creedmoor is somewhat less than that of a full-blown .270 load. When you get right down to it, neither cartridge will kill an animal any deader than a .250 Savage (the parent cartridge of the Creedmoor), but the .270 will do it with more authority, at a greater distance, and with less compensation for drop. The .270 is a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge and is what I select among the rifles I own in dozens of calibers when I am serious about medium-sized game.

Amen, brother!

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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Originally posted by pacecars:
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor which will cover the same range the .270 covers.

Really? Well, the 6.5 Creedmoor will certainly kill a deer, or a pronghorn, or even an elk. But the velocity, trajectory, range, and power of a 6.5 Creedmoor is somewhat less than that of a full-blown .270 load. When you get right down to it, neither cartridge will kill an animal any deader than a .250 Savage (the parent cartridge of the Creedmoor), but the .270 will do it with more authority, at a greater distance, and with less compensation for drop. The .270 is a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge and is what I select among the rifles I own in dozens of calibers when I am serious about medium-sized game.

I guess I should have said it covers the same game I would be hunting with it, such as deer, hogs and coyotes here in Florida. Also as I have said I have killed more deer with a .270 than any other caliber with various rifles so I am well aware of its capabilities. I just find it and the .30-06 so common (and for good reason) and I like to be a little different sometimes.

If the rifle fits you, you like it and it shoots well I would nt change a thing. 270, 280, 7x64 and 30-06 all do the same job and capable of handling everything from small right up to biggest animals out there. Just choose the right bullet and load.

The Mannlichers model m is a nice rifle, but I think is heat shrunk into the receiver so difficult to rebarrel. From memory the Model M was quite light, and whilst the 9.3 were s huge recoil, it may not suit this rifle.

I will keep it as is and keep trying to find a factory version in the 9.3x62mm. I know Biebs found one so they are out there somewhere

The .270Win feels nice but the .270Wea gives you a psychedelic ride leading to the orgasm..

Take your pick..

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I will keep it as is and keep trying to find a factory version in the 9.3x62mm

Do you mean a Steyr Model M specifically?

Yes

OK, I'll add it to my search lists.

In regards to JES,I sent one of my poor shooting 30-06's to JES to have it rebored to a 338-06.Jesse was very polite during our phone conversation.I explained to him what I wanted in the rebore and in two weeks there and back,I had it back.Here is how it shoots.I'm very pleased.

I am in the same boat as baldhunter.

I had a Remington 700 rebarreled with a Douglas air gauged premium barrel. It was awful. No one could get a decent group out of it. After JES rebored it to a 35 Whelen it was very accurate.

6.5's : just marketing something to sell to someone who has everything else.
There will be something else next year. Just like cell phones, computers, optics, archery equipment. Got to bring out something new to sell, sell, sell, lightweight rifles, heavy target rifles,30oz hopes, 12 oz scopes. Basically publicly owned companies trying to bring out something "new and improved" to generate sales to appease investors.
Marketing has worked very well in the hunting arena.
I have bought into it from time to time.
I have shot 130 Nosler partitions out of an old model 70 at 3250 FPS for 30 years (secret RL-22). I find it hard to improve on because it shoots accurately, the gun is not a boat anchor and it just plain dispatches medium sized game quickly (If you place the bullet where you are suppose to).

EZ

.270's are for flinchers who can't tolerate a .30-06 with 180gn or heavier bullets.

I went the cheap route to try the 6.5 Creedmoor and picked up a T/C Compass and have been pleasantly surprised with how accurate it is.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
.270's are for flinchers who can't tolerate a .30-06 with 180gn or heavier bullets.

Now THAT is funny!!!

Still, while I adore my .270 I love my .338 WM and have controlled my flinch enough to put 3 225gr Hornadys (2700 fps) in < 1MOA.

.45-100 Sharps with 511 gr paper patch bullet and case full of BP. My fun gun


https://youtu.be/TwGKVma-NHc

I've been a .270 Win fan and have worshipped at the alter of JOC since I was 14 years old reading gun and hunting magazines.

The .270 in its 130gr variants properly loaded is the ballistic equvilent of the .264 Win Mag and the 7mm Remington in their 140 grain offerings. Oh...both of those offerings look better on a ballistic table but the differences are so sight they simply offer no practical advantage. Take the Rem Mag up to 1 175 grain pill and we can have a different discussion. Otherwise the .270 has no problem keeping up with its belted magnum cousins and does so with less powder and less recoil

I don’t own a 270 - probably never will. I have too many 6.5 creedmoor, 30/06, 308 and 300 win mags to ever need a 270.

But thus rifle is too nice to rebore. Just get a cz 550 in 9.3x62 and if needed have Wayne at ahr work on it.

Mike

I suspect only you can make that decision. Both would suit me, but not enough to spend all that money. I would sooner sell it and buy what I wanted, Thats always worked best for me financially.

If it is accurate as the other ones I have had it will stay a pedestrian .270 Winchester and kill many deer and pigs

When it comes to centerfire rifles, the .243 Winchester, the .30-06 Springfield, and the .375 H&H magnum covers the entire planet. There is no NEED for anything else.

But since when did need become the critical factor.....?

Vapo,
Why would anyone want a .243!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
When it comes to centerfire rifles, the .243 Winchester, the .30-06 Springfield, and the .375 H&H magnum covers the entire planet. There is no NEED for anything else.

But since when did need become the critical factor.....?

I can see a light-medium weight rifle in 375 Ruger as a one-gun-for-all.

Then, if adding one rifle to that, a 270 would be an excellent choice. Between a 6.5Creed and a 270Win I would probably always go with the 270 and handloads for a hunt. That's just me. The 270 has quite a bit more powder, and monolithic hunting bullets over 3000fps can pole-ax a lot of animals, 110TTSX-3350fps for deer and the 129LRX-3100 for elk-size.

I went 55 years without buying a 270 until I ran across a deal on an old red pad Ruger No. 1 that I wanted badly. My last two pronghorns have been taken with it and it kills fine with the 110 grain Barnes TTSX out to 450 yards or so.