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I wonder, with the evident success of the 270 WSM, will the bullet makers develop any more of the big .277" bullets? Of course, the WSM's game is NOT big bullets, but I'm just looking for a reason to expect a high-BC 160 in the near future. Why is it everyone's content with 150gr, when the same manufacturers make 175's in .284"? | ||
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150's will kill anthing you should hunt with a .270 | |||
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| <bigcountry> |
With the standard 1 in 10 twist, I doubt it. Maybe if they tighten up the twist. | ||
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| <Kimmo E> |
Sako makes 156g hammerhead! | ||
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Yes, the 1 in 10 rate of twist is what limits the .270 winnie to normally a 150 grainer an a roundnose "in the past" at that. I believe the .270 mags should have no problem stabalizing 160s or even heavior. | |||
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I do not like the new short mags, but I would love to see Hornady offer a heavier .277 bullet. Maybe a 160 or 165 grain round nose. Barnes used to make a 180 grain barnes Original bullet for the .277 calibers. It is nice to have options. David | |||
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Posts like this continue to amaze me that no one ever thinks of the Nosler 160 grain Semi Spitzer Partition. I don't see what a 175 grain 7mm offers that this bullet does not. Not unless you are a " numbers" guy, and then it is 15 grains deficient. However, game shot with the 160 partition, will not really see the difference that the " Numbers" guys do. I won't mention velocity potential, because I don't want to be bait for the CRitic Vampires in here, when My experience conflicts with what all of the BOOKS on their shelf says. A 270 with a 160 grain partition is one of the most overlooked and under appreciated combos in the field. Anyone who has used it doesn't have to be told whether it works or not. | |||
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Yeah, that's the ONLY one. And check its BC with like-SD bullets in .284, and you'll see it ain't all that great. I think the 160gr is a fine top-end, but why is only ONE manufacturer selling it, and why is the BC so much lower? | |||
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Seafire, I know the 160 grain partition is out there, but its price make it less attractive than the current 150 gr hornady bullet. I am a fan of hornady bullets. Yes I know nosleres are better, but not that much better. That is why I said I would like to see Hornady make a 160-165 grainer. If I were to buy a premium expanding bullet for the .277 it would be a trophy bonded bear claw not a 160 grain partition. David | |||
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i'm tired of hearing about the .270 wsm. in my opinion it is a needless offering. it doesnt do any thing better than the good old .270 win. its just hype to sell the American shooter something different. jack o'conner would laugh at the shooters that are buying into this hype. the .270 is a solid performer with the 130 grain bullet. i have been hunting with and loading for the .270 for 25 years. it is arguably the best deer round in the woods, and it has been since the 1920's. | |||
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Have mentioned this in posts before but I shoot the 160 NP semi spitzer in my 270. At 2850 fps and its semi blunt nose it should hit hard. Its a long bullet and should penetrate well. With a BC of .435 it is the same league as a 120 gr 25 cal. It my rifle with RL22 it shoots three shot clover leaf groups. Some article just did a review of round nose vs spitzer and the difference is minimal - in this case its even less. | |||
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quote:Did it ever occur to business midgets like you that firearms companies would have ALL long gone out of business if they didn't keep coming up with new products to get more (and more new) customers? They make what will sell. What sells is new and different, not the same old, tired shit. Geniuses like you, Allen Day, and KurtC. ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Truth is the 270 IS a 7MM. .277 is closer to true 7MM than .284. .277 is the diameter of a so called 7MM on top of the lands, where the .270 has this diameter at the bottom of thegrooves. I too feel the WSM cartridges though interesting are just rookie bait. The 150 grain .277 bullets have BC and SD numbers pretty close to the .284 160 grain bullets which is pretty good. I can't see enough difference between the two to argue about and if I need 175 grains of bullet or more I will use a 30 cal. | |||
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Yeah, forgot the 160 partition. Being a semi-point I'll bet the partition is just that much more forward making it a penetrating dude. | |||
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For the record, I have no interest in the WSM in any caliber, except if it can push someone to make a good high-BC 160 gr. The 150gr is a great bullet weight. So is the 180gr .308", but I'm not asking anyone to stop making 200 grainers! As an aside, I don't quite understand the asnimosity folks level at new "hyped" cartridges/guns/whatever. No one is forcing anyone to read gossip gun amgs (I hope!) so what's to get tired of? Anyway, my original thrust revolves around my desire to make a 7mm wildcat, with a 7mm bullet. All the 7mm's on the market use a 7.2mm. | |||
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ORION, i see that you buy into what the gun pimps like Boddington say, you cant possibly kill a deer unless you are shooting the latest new-fangled magnum-blaster, you are the type of mental midget who no doubt believe our tried and true 30-06 and .270 should be relegated as wall hangers, well, go ahead and keep buying all that big business wants to sell you, ill keep right on putting meat in the freezer every season with my 75 year old antique .270.....yep, yer a genius. | |||
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quote:Gutless, let me give you a hint: keep working for the man. Don't EVER go into business for yourself. You will fail miserably. Nobody gives a shit what YOU want. Everybody only cares about what THEY want. If gun companies took a page from your business how-to book, we would have no more gun companies. I say again, you are an ignorant hick. Stick to what you know, which apparently is only gutting animals. | |||
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hey orion, come on down to the country, we'll give your city a$$ a lesson you wont forget. i can tell you are the type that likes to hide behind his computor and call names, well, if that makes you feel like a man, go ahead. i'm not going to lower myself to your level. get a life. [ 09-13-2003, 08:11: Message edited by: gutpile ] | |||
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You guys are both acting like asses. Take it outside. PM works great on this board. Isn't there already a multi-page argument about whether or not we need new cartridges? I'm on another subject. Thank you both, and good day. | |||
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Not sure why 160 & heavier bullet weight never stuck on with the .270 cal. I guess the .270 just kills so darn well with it's 130-150 gr slugs, it doesn't need anything heavier  .Interestingly enough, I'm a .280 fan as well and notice that just about all loads greater than 150 gr eventually get dropped after a few years. I guess the simple fact is the shooting public likes velocity and not having a popular .270 cal magnum that give marketing-hype worthy velocity with the heavies (ala 7mm Rem Mag, stw, etc) keeps bullet weights down. The .270 win (let alone WSM/Weatherby) certainly has the case capacity to generate decent velocities with the heavies. The current barnes manual has several loads in the 2720 to 2760 fps range with the 180 barnes original (surprisingly close to 06 and better than .308 win). The 160s crowd 2900 fps in a 24" barrel. Alas, I'm guilty as all the other .270 fans. When it comes time to hunt, I always end up with a 130-140 on top despite having all of the heavies I know were made for the .270 sitting on my shelf: 160 barnes (spitzer) 180 barnes (round nose) 160 nosler (semi-spitzer) 170 speer (round nose) Maybe if the .270 WSM keeps growing in popularity, we will see a true spitzer design in >160 gr resurface. The 160 nosler would be a great choice...kinda like nosler did with the 200 gr (change from semi-spitzer to true spitzer). In any case, I wouldn't ever feel handicapped taking on any of the game the .270 is suitable for with a good 130-150 gr premium bullet or the nosler semi-point 160. Even though the 160 is a semi-point, it still has a bc or .434, which is better than some notables such as 120 gr .257 (bc .391), 165 gr .308 (b.c. .410), 210 gr .338 (b.c. .400). I'm planning on trying the 160 nosler in my .270 WSM. Manuals show velocity right at 3000 fps, which is right on with most 160 grain 7mm Rem Mag loads. Regards, Lou | |||
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I use Remington green box 150 grain core-loctd in my 270. Get it at Wall Mart for about $12.00 (with tax) a box. Last deer I shot with the 270 was about 200 steps (about 200 yards), and it hit where it was supposed to and left a 50 cent piece sized exit hole. These are round nose bullets. I have noticed that these bullets cut a round hole in paper, as apposed to a ragged hole. | |||
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No doubt the 270 WCF does a great job with 140's and 150's. But no better than the 160g 280 R or the 180g 30-06, and yet those two still have much heavier bullets available. Could it just be that since no one buys the ammo loaded with heavier bullets, the companies don't see a market? Do many people buy 30-06 ammo with 220g bullets? It must be like Lou said, that there just isn't a big case out there able to shine with the big bullet. (Though I'd have to say - in some respects - a 180g .277" at 2750 fps trumps a 180g .308 at 2800 fps.) That big case is exactly what I have in mind. Alas. Time will tell. As for getting a bigger gun, well I already have that. I'm looking for something smaller than .3" and it would be a .277" if the bullets were available. Since they're not, it'll likely be .284" (could be worse!) | |||
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it seems to me the reason that you dont find folks using the heavier bullets in .270 is because the 130 works so well that you dont really need it. and maybe that most .270 hunters are mainly deer hunters. for example, i have been hunting with my .270 since 1979, and have been handloading for it for the same amount of time. it has done a very good job for me over these past 24 years. it has dropped a buck for me every year, and they have all been one shot kills, you cant ask for any better performance than that. i tried 150 grain several years ago, but i found that with the heavier bullet, i lost a bit of the flat trajectory that the .270 is famous for. i went back to the 130 grain bullets because i would rather have it shooting flat as possible, i didnt really feel that i had gained enough with the additional 20 grains of bullet weight with the 150's to keep loading them, maybe other .270 users feel the same way. | |||
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I just found a box of old-type Nosler PJ 160-grain semispitzers in my junk! I think the reason it is not made as a spitzer with high B.C. is that most .270's have a 1/10" twist, and the bullet would be too long if it had a better profile! ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} I did try the old 170-grain Speer RN in my M/S .270 with 1/9" rwist. It would give 2800 FPS MV, was very accurate, but was a short-range load due to nose shape. I think the .270 Win. has plenty enough powder capacity for a heavier-than-160 grain spitzer bullet, but the twist would have to be increased to stabilize them!! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} [ 09-15-2003, 17:10: Message edited by: eldeguello ] | ||
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Tried some 160 Nosler semi-spitzers today in my .270 Win. Worked up to Nosler's max load of RL-22. Out of my 24" barrel, I was getting 2920 fps (56 gr), 55 gr was 2880 fps, 54 gr was 2820 fps. No pressure signs. Accuracy was 1 1/2" for 3 shots, but I wasn't having a great day shooting , so could possibly do a little better. In any case, probably gonna give the 55 gr load a try as I'm happy with 2880 fps and is closer to book max velocity. See if I can't see what this load will do on some feral hogs on my lease. Not that I'll need it, but according to my ballistic program, sight this load in 3" high at 100 and I'm 3" low at 300...not bad. Regards, Lou | |||
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I agree with gutpile on who shoots .270's. The reason for a heavier .270 bullet would be to take heavier game and the moose/elk/bear hunters prefer to move up to a bigger caliber than to make .270's do that kind of work. Yes, they would do very well, but the market isn't there. After all, even the biggest Pennsylvania whitetail is instant venison with the 130 gr. bullets, so why "fix" what already works? No doubt a .270 bullet with a .300+ sectional density would make an amazing load. Unfortunately, there aren't enough Bwana-be's around to support the cost of tooling and marketing. | |||
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quote:Carried some at one time. In the end I couldn't see what real diff there was between them and my 150 gr Nosler Partitions. They hit a bit harder in close (on paper as you say), but sacrificed elsewhere such as in trajectory. | |||
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Interesting tag BBBruce. Good thing there's guys around like Mr. Bush or you would probably be speaking German, Russian, or... . | |||
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quote:Hey I'll help Bwana with ordering the heavies. My 270 weatherby would just love them. I probably could get them to move along at just over 3000 fps. That would be cool. | |||
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How about a 160gr A-Frame with a .455 BC? Or a Barnes X BT at over .50? That would suit me just fine. Awesome from antelope to zebra. | |||
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Hey, just drop the 270 twist rate to 1 in 8 and stabilize bullets up to 1.4 inches in length. Give up on the 90 and 100 grainers for varmints and run weights from 110 to 200 grains (YUP 200 grains). A 180 gr spitzer will have a SD of .335 and a BC of .555. Oh, yeah...65,000 psi will push it 2700 fps. OR, build the bases of the bullets out of Tungsten and your current 130 grainers will weigh 175 grains while the 150 graon profile goes to 200 grains. Stay with the 1 in 10 twist rate and enjoy extra velocity due to increased case capacity. | |||
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quote:Nebraska, Uh uh uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I do all my politicking on the politicking site. This here's for shooting fun. | |||
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