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I have a circa 1960 M70 in boring .30-06 , its a 90% gun, unaltered and unmolested but worn a bit. I am into it maybe $300 and it has sat in the back of the safe the past several years. Already have a M70 in .338-06 and really like it. Also have another in .375 H&H, as well as an old pre 64 in .300 H&H, and a SA M70 in 7mm-08. Have a pair of .280's too, one a std the other a 26" AI. And a spare .300 H&H but a Sako. So I truly have hunting situations fairly well covered. WHAT to do with this 06?? I have thought of having Lilja do me a same contour and sight set up barrel in .338-06. Already have one, I know. What about a 9.3x62?? Too similar to the .338-06 and too close to the three seven five? OR????? signed, Confused in Montana with gunsmith money in his pockets. | ||
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You have enough hunting rifles. Send it to a gunsmith specializing in NRA match rifles and have him rebarrel to 260 Remington and add a bolt stop to match the cartridge. Get a 26" target contour barrel from your favorite barrel maker installed, a stripper clip slot milled on the rear bridge, a Warner rear sight and any decent front sight (Gehmanns are easy to find) added, trigger and bolt slicked up (if they aren't already so). Add a stock from Steve McGhee and go find some matches to shoot. | |||
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I much prefer the 9.3x62 over the 338-06 and I have shot and hunted with both...but since you have a 338-06 and have some concerns, why not go with the great 9.3x64, thats the most overlooked caliber on this continent...it is a wonder round...and brass is now available from RWS and Horneber.. | |||
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LETS SEE,,A$300,PRE '64,MODEL70@ 90% AND HAVE MONEY TO PLAY WITH AND LIVE IN MONTANA,,( NOT BUTTE,,BUT IT WILL DO ),,AND YOU ARE CONFUSED AS WHAT TO DO WITH IT,,,,,POOR BABY,SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR FEMININE SIDE ,( THATS THE CONFUSED SIDE ) AND GIVE ' ER A GOOD SLAP!!!!!!!,,WE ALL SHOULD BE SO VEXED!!!!!!!!!!! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif){kind=icon} ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif){kind=icon} [ 10-22-2003, 23:52: Message edited by: MONTANAHILLBILLY ] | |||
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Frank, I would turn that pre 64 into a .404 Jeffery (I think this possible)have decked out really nicely I think this could be soemthing that is really set aside from the other calibres you own. On the other had I own a 9.3x62 and really like the caliber, but you already have a .375 & .338-06 so I would head up the ladder a bit and add a medium bigbore to your collection (I assume you have not got one yet) | |||
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PC's really onto something, there. When was the last time anyone saw a pre-64 in .404? Unique? Man! . . . and useful, too. However, I own a .318 WR which is the ultimate ancestor of the .338/06 and a 9.3x62. One is for Africa and the other I'm saving for a moose hunt once I get retired and can hunt like normal people. I don't feel duplicated. | |||
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Holy CRAP!!!! A .404 !!!! And no lie I have 90 rds of .404 BELL brass too. I never even thought of that one. Though Rays Idea of 9.3x64 bears some investigation too. How huge a problem to do the .404 Jeffery?? FN in MT PS........ Montanahillbilly I don't believe I know you. I don't believe you know me either. I didn't find your comments particularly funny as well. What are you trying to say? | |||
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Frank, I have owned a couple of M-70 pre 64s in 404 Jefferys....One needs only to open them up and obtain a wide Blackburn 404 bottom metal...They open up well as the 404 is shorter than a 375 or 416..rail work is required...I also install a straight bolt...Usually a Glem with panels and a rose...Also a custom stock is nice as the old Winchester stock is a bit rough on one, unless you can shoot the low comb model...I can. | |||
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Frank, I will be keen to hear which way you jump. I am planning my next project in my head and I am thinking (at the moment) about doing a .404 Jeffery or a .416 Taylor on a Ruger MK11 .338 (I am unsure which one, and I need to find a new job first )Ray if you were to buy a M70 classic in 7mm stw or some stupid calibre like that ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} would you need to buy new bottom metal for the new classc M70 actions or would the metal already on it do for the .404 Jeffery round ??Also what is new blackburn metal worth and can it be mated to a McMillan stock if you wanted a composite ?? does it give extra capacity in the mag as well ?? | |||
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quote:Frank, Why not go the other way. Something like a .270. Low recoil and turns elk into very dead elk. | |||
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Frank, I'm with WyoJoe... Why not have a handy lightweight rifle made in .257, 7x57, or .270. But that recommendation is heavily influenced by the hunting that I do. May not be right for you. Bob | |||
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quote:I made a beat up model 54 into a beautiful 9.3 x 62 and will never regret it. The 9.3 far outclasses the 338-06 power-wise (think about 320 grain bullets), has about 10% more powder capacity, and is a factory round to boot. It is perfect elk medicine. | |||
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Ray, Thanks for the input. Would I HAVE to go with the new bottom metal? And where would one find it if I did?? WyoJoe, I already have a nice lightweight .280 thats a great shooter, and an even lighter 7mm-08 thats my wifes. Plus a .280 AI, so I'm pretty good in that area. A .270 doesn't interest me as IMHO the .280 is a better ctg. I know they are close but I just like sevens. Thanks for all the input you Guys. FN in MT | |||
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Pardon me for going from the sublime to ridiculous, but if were in your situation it would be a choice between the 9.3 x 62 and the 6.5-06. Since you do the AI caliber and 338-06, it sounds like wildcats don't bother you. The 9.3 x 62 is my favorite "hammer", bought to rout pest bears and shoot cast bullets with--and it shoots cast VERY well. The 6.5-06 will be my wildcat rifle one day in the near future. It offers those deep-penetrating 6.5 mm bullets at velocities close to that of the 264 Win Mag minus the WM's throat-burning characteristics. I've never had a wildcatted caliber in my 35-plus years of hull-stuffing, and this one seems like a practical chambering. | |||
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Hey Frank, A few years ago I had a 35 Whelen made on a VZ24 action. With the 280 gr. Swift I get 2,547 fps. according to my Chrony Bata Master. The chamber is cut to shoot heavy bullets and has a 27" Shilen barrel. I realize you didn't mention the Whelen, however, you may want to consider it as an option. The brass is readily available and all you have to do is put in a primer, add some powder and insert your slug. Fast and easy...and very powerful! Good shooting, Smoker* ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Heh...see what happens when you ask a good question, close to everyone's heart??? The answers land ALL OVER the map. So, here's my addendum. As a long-time user of the .404 Jeffery, I think a custom project on that caliber would be plenty of fun. If you should do a .404, I'd suggest a well-balanced rifle with a 24" medium-weight barrel, and with the weight distributed to balance the rifle correctly at the forward guard screw, for comfortable easy handling. From experience (my .404 is barely eight pounds un-scoped) I'd want it to weigh AT LEAST nine pounds without scope. 400 at 2400 generates some come-back. I'm making .404 brass from Remington Ultra Mag .338s and .375s...it's an easy conversion, and .375s are better because they are the correct length (.338 UMs are a bit shorter in the neck). These are MUCH less expensive than .404 cases! My latest Midway order is bringing some .375s at $9.99 per 20, instead of $35/20 or more for .404 brass. As a hopelessly addicted bullet caster, I find that the great drawback to the .404 right now is the lack of an easily-available, GOOD cast-bullet design. With the help of Mountain Molds, I hope to rectify that problem in the near future. I think that a slightly-expanded RCBS 416-350 bullet design might just do the trick. I use that bullet in my .416 Rigby, and have patched it up for trials in the .404 with enough success to keep me interested. Some Cerrosafe will arrive here in a couple of days to start the mold-design project. In the meantime, the Lee 44-310 bullet, sized down to .424", works rather well in the .404, but it's about as streamlined as a washing machine. I just tried some .404 loads for fit in our .338 Super-Grade Model 70. The factory .404 cartridge is a tad too long for the mag box, and in trying to fit three empty cases into the mag, I could only get two cases into the box....so yes, you'll need the wider box to allow the rifle to accept three in the mag. If you can accept only a two-round mag capacity, the .375 H&H mag box would work, and is a much less-expensive way to go. Regards from BruceB (aka Bren Mk1) | |||
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Brass for the .404 is NO problem as I already HAVE ninety rounds. Cast bullets came into my mind as soon as the .404 was suggested. I did think of going smaller and the .25-06 as well as the 6.5-06 came to mind too. But those big bullets appeal tome! Originally (a few years ago) I'd thought of doing a .404 on a current M70 .375 H&H. As its long enough, and rounds seem to feed without any mods too. Big Game opener is Sunday. So my plate is full until at least early December. Any ideas on a barrel?? I'd do a 24 incher, a bit heavy for balance and weight. I agree too on a NINE pounder probably about right. My .375 comes out at 10 1/2# and its reasonable for me to carry all day. Thanks yous guys........ FN | |||
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Hey Frank, I almost forgot. I'm having a .405 Win. made on a P14 action. It will also be long throated to take heavy bullets. North Fork Bullets is experimenting with a 360 bullet that is sure to work well...I'm hoping it will work well in my .405. Again, the brass is available and you will have enough power for anything on this continent. GS, Smoker* | |||
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Where does the .404 fit in to the recoil scale how much more than a .375 is it ?? Also could it be considered a useful round for plains game, is it flat shooting enough ?? | |||
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Frank: This situation seems to be causing you too much stress...so why don't I just send you a check for $350 and you can send the rifle to me and that will solve your problems!!!! If not, well good luck and I to like the idea of a .404... | |||
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PC, The ol' Jeffrey can either be nearly as mild as a .375 or it can seriously get your attention depending on whether you are shooting the original British loads or are heating them up to .416 equivelent. Given that plains game is rarely shot over 150 yards, a .404 with a 1.5x5 Leupold or a quality peep sight will have just as much versatility as a .375. Where the .375 shines is when the ranges get over 250+ yards. Out there the spire point bullets take over and make connecting with, say, a gemsbok much easier. On the other hand, the .404's superior frontal area is better up close and personal with the less passive species. Either will do as a one-gun safari tool though it is more common to pair the .375 up with something bigger (.458+) and the .404 with something smaller (.318 WR, in my case). I'm not sure that one can make a perfectly logical case for either set-up being better than the other, it just seems that folks do it that way . . . though I am certainly open to alternative opinions. [ 10-26-2003, 23:11: Message edited by: Oldsarge ] | |||
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Old sargethanks for that at some point I need to get a .404 Jeffery. I saw a .404 Jeffery round for the first time when I picked up my cz .458 Lott from my Smiths and the round looked good and really appealled to me. As did the .404 he had sitting in the shop with all the bells and whistles ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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quote:Or you can load the 404 with a 350 grn. up to 2600 and shoot the Gemsbok with that. | |||
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How good is the bullet selection in .423 (thats .404 I think) ?? I see woodleigh make som 400 gr bullets and some 347 grainers that are meant for the 10.75x68 mauser round (another interesting calibre ) | |||
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Ah Frank, you have to go w/ the .404. It's an action waiting to happen! Then you can take all three, the .300h&h, .375h&h & the .404 to africa next time you go. I am still waiting on mine. My guy tells me before Christmas. See you in a few weeks. | |||
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PC Woodliegh makes 350s for the 404 also. The 347 at 2600 would really splat a skippy don't you think? | |||
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Yes Mickey that extra bit of frontal area over a .375 would make a bit of difference | |||
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The 9.3X64 would be a piece of cake conversion and give you a little more spunk with the heavier bullets than the 9.3X62. | |||
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Frank, you already know my response... 257 Roberts! You have the heavy end of the spectrum well covered. You need a Walk-Around Varmint/Deer/Antelope Rifle (WAVDAR)... your M70 fits the bill perfectly as the Classic 257 Bob would be appropriate to the pre-64 platform. Although the 404 would be a fun project it will be more expensive. Too, after the initial euphoria you'll ask yourself "what the heck am I going to do with this thing now?" After load development and one dead elk it'll go back in the closet like the current 06'... a Roberts could give you year-round enjoyment ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Good idea Brad. | |||
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Frank, I would opt for the Blackburn drop box..The 404 is a fat round and with the existing box modified you are probably looking at two down and one up is my guess...Dennis Olson, Plains, Mt. or Jim Brockman, Gooding, Id. are good with 404 conversions. I'm building one as we speak..I will have a Mauser 98 surface ground and a bolt tigged on, have the barrel installed and chambered and do the rest of the work myself. I just got the Lothar Walther barrel cut to the H&H profile that I sent Woody, which is now going to be a stock item btw....goes great with a 4" H&H quarter rib. | |||
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