The time is way over due for 300 H&H users to roll their own ammo. Frangible factory ammo is outdated and has been for a long time. The 300 H&H has become a reloaders caliber, as one cannot depend on the availability of factory ammo anymore. I still obtained good factory ammo from Federal about 10 years ago, loaded with Nosler Partition and Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets. Not sure if they still offer them.

Warrior

One can only hope. I pick up just about every one I find that's made by Winchester or Browning (safari). jorge

Well it's been nearly FOUR YEARS since this thread but I thought I would revisit the topic and see what has changed.

Rifles:

Ruger No. 1S in 300H&H
Cabelas Cabela's 50th Anniversary Rifle Ruger No. 1
Ruger No. 1-A Boddington Series "Kudu"
Winchester 1885 Hi-Wall
Browning B-78 RMEF 2011
Cooper 56 Classic
CZ 550 Safari Classic

There have also been several .300H&H articles like these:

http://www.americanrifleman.or...oading-300-hh-magnum

http://www.rifleshootermag.com...great_300_hh_020810/

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by LBGuy:
nostalgia keeps the 300 h&h alive. too many other 300 mags available these days. perhaps only a few flies on the old h&h, but it ain't new, it ain't sexy , and it ain't available in many new factory offerings. i suspect some ammo companies will offer ammo for several decades to come.

"it ain't sexy"!?

Are you high!?

+1 I agree with Jason on this one.

I bought a new 300 H&H for my 14 year old son. It will be his heavy rifle in Africa. I think the 300 H&H is the prettiest and sexiest of medium bore cartridges. It looks like little missile!! For plains game, I think it is about perfect.

I bought a bunch of Federal Premium 180 grain Trophy Copper Tipped Boat tails. There were pretty much the same price or a tad less than 300 Win Mags. For us, it has been a very accurate round.

I still love the classic 300 H&H. Has a custom Mauser made in 300 H&H as an African Plains Game rifle.

I state this from a very biased vision, but also with a lot of experience with the .300 H&H. In my mind, it still remains the most versatile of the .300 magnums due to the abilities to reload anywhere from 150-220 grain bullets, at many different velocities, without creating undue pressures.

It also is the most nostalgic, sexiest, and a cartridge that I not only love to look at, but I love the feel of it in my hand. It's a lot like a bleach blonde skinny little hotty.

Plus it has proven itself as a World Champion. Just look up its history.

Merkel built its first double rifle in .300 H&H just last year. They may not continue the project however sadly. So many current makers now offering the cartridge.

Plus, it is a custom rifle makers dream. I have owned a Pre 64 70, a Ruger #1, a custom Interarms Mark X, and a custom Mauser 98 all in .300 H&H. I'll always have at least one rifle in this caliber.

Mike

Four years... Four years ago, the 300 H&H got my attention, still don,t have one, still want one. Ruger No1, Win model 70, kinda go back and forth, lean towards the Ruger..

Weird part is, the local wal-mart has 300 H&H ammo, but very rarely has any .22. Who,d a thunk it?..

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[A] custom Mauser made in 300 H&H as an African Plains Game rifle.

That's a beauty right there, Biebs!

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
I state this from a very biased vision, but also with a lot of experience with the .300 H&H. In my mind, it still remains the most versatile of the .300 magnums due to the abilities to reload anywhere from 150-220 grain bullets, at many different velocities, without creating undue pressures.

It also is the most nostalgic, sexiest, and a cartridge that I not only love to look at, but I love the feel of it in my hand. It's a lot like a bleach blonde skinny little hotty.

Plus it has proven itself as a World Champion. Just look up its history.

Merkel built its first double rifle in .300 H&H just last year. They may not continue the project however sadly. So many current makers now offering the cartridge.

Plus, it is a custom rifle makers dream. I have owned a Pre 64 70, a Ruger #1, a custom Interarms Mark X, and a custom Mauser 98 all in .300 H&H. I'll always have at least one rifle in this caliber.

Mike

I have a custom Luxus Model 11 in a 2 barrel set on order. .300 H&H and .22-250. Can't wait. This .300 H&H will be taking a lot of game (hopefully stag in Portugal in July and Scotland in Oct).

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That's a beauty right there, Biebs!

Thank you sir! It's part of an identical set in 7x57, 300 H&H, 338 WM, 404 Jeffery, 458 Win Mag, and 505 Jeffery. They're just about done now.

Wish Blaser offered a 300 H & H barrel. If they did I would have it and a 375 H & H on the R8 setup.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter
R8 Blaser
DRSS

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Originally posted by Biebs:
I still love the classic 300 H&H. Has a custom Mauser made in 300 H&H as an African Plains Game rifle.

Gun Porn!!

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by LBGuy:
nostalgia keeps the 300 h&h alive. too many other 300 mags available these days. perhaps only a few flies on the old h&h, but it ain't new, it ain't sexy , and it ain't available in many new factory offerings. i suspect some ammo companies will offer ammo for several decades to come.

"it ain't sexy"!?

Are you high!?

+1 I agree with Jason on this one.

Imagine my shock when I began reading this thread for the "first time" today and saw my own post from 4 years ago. I can't believe how wise I was back then!

I would be shocked if any of the 300UM/SAUM/WSM outlast the 300H&H.

Biebs,
If you don't put up the stats on that one we're gonna come find you.

What a beauty!

Bluefish, this was the start of a long project. Someone here put up a worked VZ 24 action a couple years ago. I had always wanted a 300 H&H, so I sent it and a blank I had to Mike Cuypers at Bijou Creek Customs. I wanted a Plains Game rifle styled in the pre-war British Magazine rifle look, with long barrel, short forend, perch belly, express sights, ebony forend, straight bolt, and red pad. Since this one, as I found actions or barreled actions, I'd send them to Mike to add to the set. Another VZ-24 action with an octagonal to round barrel became a 338, a pre-64 Win in 458 became the 458 Win Mag, etc.
The others are being finished up now, and will all look the same. It will be a pretty cool set.

curious how much drop there is to the comb and how much between the nose and heel of the stock.

I have owned the same old pre 64 Win. mod. 70 in a 300 H&H for 40 years, it still shoots an inch at 100 yards, stock is rough, blue is all but gone..Its one of the few that I have never traded, I have shot a hell of a lot of game with it..

I can get almost 300 WBY balistics with its 26 inch barrel and my lot of old 4831 surplus powder. That gets me 3020 FPS with a 200 gr. Woodleigh or Nosler and I can't come close to that with the 300 Win mag or 30-338. Its been my load for most of that 40 years. I have never seen any reason to use another load..Most books show at least one load at 3000 and several at 2900.

You have to own one to really appreciate the caliber..Yes, it has nostalgia, but it out performs the 300 Win. Mag if for no other reason than powder capacity and a long enough case to not interfere with heavy long bullets.

I have never has trouble getting brass for it, until recently. I always get it from Huntingtons or locally. But all brass is hard to get in Idaho..so is powder and bullets. I have quite a supply of brass anyway..

I too shoot a .300 H&H once awhile

this keeps getting better and better.

we need rifle specs!

Just when I think I may be ready to sell my Pre-64, 300HH you guys remind me what a special round it is.

I can't settle on a scope for mine. Had a Leupold M8 6x and never really warmed to that set-up, now I have a vintage Weaver 1.5x, which is kind of fun. What do you think is the IDEAL scope for a 300HH?

Lyman Alaskan?

2.5 to 8 Leupold is one of my favorites and is the one on my Mod. 70 300 H&H. That scope works well with many rifles.

I picked up a Leupold 2.5-8x a couple of years ago for my 3006 700KS and it has become one of my favorite scopes. I just seems to be the most versatile scope own. I have always thought the Alaskan to be really neat but I don't think it that much different than what I have on the rifle now.

I think the best scope on the market for the money is the Zeiss Conquest 3x9x40. They are technically off the market but I just picked up a new one from Cameraland I believe for a real bargain. Google for one and it will pop up. Super glass for the bucks

I do not find I get the usage of that much magnification. Not as many set shot opps here I guess. I prefer a lower magnification scope.

Scopes: For 100 yards or less I prefer open sights. For further I prefer a scope. If I need to see beyond 200 yards I want a scope that gathers lots of light and makes me feel like I'm up close. I swear by 6x42 and 10x42 S&B fixed scopes, especially for low light shooting, but I have a .400 that wears a trim little 1-4x20 Leupold and I like that too.

My favorite rifle is this .300 H&H and nostalgia has nothing to do with it (well maybe a little ).



Please note: Not every group it shoots is this good.

First of all, beautiful rifle. If I were to commission a single-shot it would look much like that one.

My 300HH is a pre-64 M70 and there is just no way to get the stock irons to work for me because the comb is just too low. That's frustrating because I really enjoy shooting irons. The first scope I put on the rifle was a Leupold 6x. As you know, not a bad decision but here in MI it's a little too much glass for hunting in forested areas.

I tend to use 200's and 220's in my rifle, leaving 165's and 180's in one of my 06's and lighter in my 7x57. What are you shooting?

Cheers,

JDG

When I went to get my first 300 mag, I bought a Winchester model 70... They only had at the time a 300 Wetherby and a 300 H&H in stock. I took the H&H and loved it... That was about 1991,and brass was a bear to get. I sold it to my brother and I don't know what he did with it... Probably lost in the card game or something... Wish I still had it. Even though it was right-handed.

Ed

Awesome cartridge! Have killed buffalo, donkeys, boars, kudu, impala etc. with my old Ruger single-shot. Am having a custom Mauser built in this cartridge, and really appreciate the fine inspiration in this thread! Beautiful rifles!

Making a comeback? I doubt it, but it ain't going away either...I do believe it has always been a high choice of caliber in custom guns. I have made about as many 300 H&Hs as any caliber over the last 50 or so years.

It will be around for many years to come because enough of those who really know and have used it will not let it die..It is very popular in the parts of Africa that I have been.
I will never part with mine, although I do at times swap out the barrel with my fitted .375 H&H, and thats handy, but it keeps its 300 H&H barrel most of the time for sure. Both barrels are the same contour and both are pre 64 barrels.

I really like mine but I really wish I could shoot the original iron sights. Perhaps a new semi-custom stock with a higher comb?

Finally bought on in a Remington 721...and wished I had splurged and bought the Model 70 I was drooling over. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Waited till just the right moment, and got lucky, and now have a
NIB 1987 Model 70 XTR Sporter, yes, NIB, unfired with the hang tags on it! 300 H&H.

Now if I can get the correct Talleys on it, d&t'ed
weirdly, I'll be all set...almost matched set of
H&H's: 300 and 375

I hear the call of Africa, again!

Jon, the classic British stock on your rifle is stunning, but Grenadier's single shot absolutely takes my breath away. Guys, your two guns are among the loveliest I have ever seen. Congratulations on having such excellent taste.

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Originally posted:


My 300HH is a pre-64 M70 and there is just no way to get the stock irons to work for me because the comb is just too low. That's frustrating because I really enjoy shooting irons. The first scope I put on the rifle was a Leupold 6x. As you know, not a bad decision but here in MI it's a little too much glass for hunting in forested areas.


Cheers,

JDG

Perhaps you could go a little deeper into the facts about your rifle? I am confused and am trying to resolve what I am missing.

I have never seen a rifle where the stock comb was okay for a scope, but too low for factory iron sights. Usually it is the other way around. What am I missing here?

I understand, completely and feel the same way. When I take my scope and rings off, I can't get my head down far enough to see the irons, fully. I can barely see the front bead at the top of the white triangle in the rear sight, looking over the receiver. It can be done, but it's not something I would want to do if I had to rely on the irons to save my bacon. The easiest solution would be to replace the stock irons but I just wonder why that's necessary. I guess Winchester just assumed whom ever bought a 300 HH was going to use glass, but why then even put irons on the rifle in the first place.

When I saw that Winchester had put the 1885 Highwall Safari Special out in 300H&H a few yrs back, I had to get one. I can remember my slightly wingnut ex brother in law shooting a grouse on the wing, with a 721 in 300H&H, out in the Chilcotin in 1978. He nailed it, breast was perfect.

The 300 H&H has not really gone away, so we can't really talk about a comeback of it
This great cartridge might not have as many owners like the 300 win and 200 weatherby, but there are still plenty of people owning and using guns in 300 H&H.

A cartridge I really wish would make a comeback, is the little twin sister of the 375 H&H, born the same year, the 275 H&H.

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* * * A cartridge I really wish would make a comeback, is the little twin sister of the 375 H&H, born the same year, the 275 H&H.

Isn't the 275H&H what the 7mm Rem Magnum is, but with a longer neck?

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Originally posted by Nick Adams:

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* * * A cartridge I really wish would make a comeback, is the little twin sister of the 375 H&H, born the same year, the 275 H&H.

Isn't the 275H&H what the 7mm Rem Magnum is, but with a longer neck?

Yes, the .275 H&H is very similar to the 7 mm rem mag. Also in performance, but with a longer neck and it uses a .287 bullet instead of a .284 bullet like the 7 mm do.

Some that wants to have a .275 H&H today, cheat a bit and really make a .275 H&H "wildcat" with a 7 mm barrel and bullets because you have many more bullets to choose from.

So I understand why the .275 H&H most likely never will make a comeback even if the 7 mm rem mag was not an improvement at all when it came.

I would like to make a matching pair of Mauser action guns in .375 H&H and .275 H&H just for the history and nostalgia of these cartridges both made and released by H&H in 1912.

I just started developing loads for the .300H&H and so far both 180gr Hornady SP and 180gr TSX are running just over 2900fps with 64gr H4350 and a Fed215, which is plenty of jam for my needs in a .30 cal.

Both loads give right on MOA from an unbedded/unmodified Ruger No1 S. I wish I could have used it in May on Wildebees in SA but the import and post-hunting storage was a hassle. I have plans to take it to the Northern Cape on my next trip back.

The only factory ammo I can find here in Edmonton is Nosler with 180gr AB's and it is stupidly expensive. Reloading is the only real option for .300H&H wonks!