Ok, I know, in Italy we define this kind of questions such a mental mastubation, but, please be patient with me.

My question does not involve discourses relating to costs, 30-06 is cheaper than 9.3x62 or anything else, but if it is easier or not, which possible advantages and disadvantages, easiness in the operations and so on.

Steve..I use 30-06 for my 338-06ai..its cheap and easy. Just run the 30-06 case into the 338-06 sizing die.. I do make sure my necks are well lubricated..

Z

9.3x62 brass won't fit in a 338-06 die. The base is too fat.

I'm not sure where .366torque got his notion, but 9.3x62 brass is identical in base diameter to .30-06. However, it is a tiny bit shorter.

In general, necking down rather than necking up creates a slightly more consistent neck. In this instance, the increase from .308 to .338 isn't enough to make a lot of difference, so using .30-06 brass (if new or only once-fired and not work-hardened) should be just fine. After all, for decades that was the only way that people could obtain .35 Whelen brass.

Speaking of .35 Whelen, if you can obtain factory .35 Whelen brass it is the perfect basis for making .338-06 cases since you would be going the "preferred" direction (down), and only by .02".

I have just used 30/06 brass to make 338/06 loads and have had no trouble. Cases are a little short from 30/06, but work fine. I agree that 35 whelen would be the best. Just keep track of your loaded ammo and don't get them mexed up with 30/06 and 35 whelen.

06 is very easy to neck up to 338-06 one pass done.

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9.3x62 brass won't fit in a 338-06 die. The base is too fat.

That has not been my experience. It works just fine.

Also, the other day someone posted that one cannot make 9.3x62 brass by necking up .30/'06 brass. The post said that .30/'06 bases are too small for the 9.3x62 and would bulge excessively when fired.

That also does not fit my experience. I have been making brass for my 9.3x62 from '06 brass for 40 years now and that simply has never happened in my Husqvarna Model 1950 Sporter.

I think the poster must have had a senior moment or somehow otherwise gotten the 9.3x62 confused with the 9.3x64, an entirely different cartridge. Making 9.3x64 brass from '06 will produce that result and also be a tad too short in most instances.

But making the 9.3x62 is entirely practical from .30/'06 brass, and making .338/06 brass is entirely practical from 9.3x62 brass.

As with all brass, even the correctly head stamped factory stuff, every handloader should check the neck thickness and overall length of his brass before using it for live rounds (and hopefully needless to say, he should correct any dimensions which are not proper for his rifle).

As the old saying goes, and ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Some US made 9,3x62 brass is made using '06 basic brass and shares the same head size. However, 9,3x62 brass has a case head size of .476" not .470".

So, depending on whose 9,3 brass you use, you may experience no difficulties. If you use 9,3 brass with the .476" case head size you may indeed encounter diffculty in trying to run them through an '06 sizer.

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Originally posted by z1r:
Some US made 9,3x62 brass is made using '06 basic brass and shares the same head size. However, 9,3x62 brass has a case head size of .476" not .470".

So, depending on whose 9,3 brass you use, you may experience no difficulties. If you use 9,3 brass with the .476" case head size you may indeed encounter diffculty in trying to run them through an '06 sizer.

Thank you, I forgot about the 9.3x62 American.
It's the same as 6.5x55 Swedish brass at CIP spec, won't fit in a 257 AI die.
I tried it only got so far and it stopped.
The other one is some manufacturers, use 308 barrels for the 7.62x39 & 7.62 Russian.
CIP & SAAMI should become a universal standardization.

6.5x55 has a different base diameter than '06 or the Mauser cartridges. The Mausers and the '06 are .470", the Swede is .480". 9.3x62 has the same base diameter as the other Mauser rounds.

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Originally posted by kjjm4:
6.5x55 has a different base diameter than '06 or the Mauser cartridges. The Mausers and the '06 are .470", the Swede is .480". 9.3x62 has the same base diameter as the other Mauser rounds.

You are right about the Swede but wrong about the 9,3x62. It has a base of .476".

It appears there maybe were small case head size variations in Europe as well.

My 9.3x62 rifle is a Husqvarna Model 1950 Sporter (M98 type action)which was made in "Scandahoovia" more than 60 years ago, and which I bought in England just over 40 years ago. It certainly is not one of the "American" guns.

But 9.3x62 ammo made from '06 brass has always worked perfectly in it. I used to have to buy my bullets (not brass) from DWM, then later from RWS, both in Germany. Then I managed to buy thousands of bullets in a wooden case from Norma and used them in my neck-sized up '06 brass all the years since.

The only 9.3x62 head stamped brass I have ever used was a couple of boxes (40 rounds) of Berdan-primed RWS, which I load with Norma Berdan primers.

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Originally posted by z1r:

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Originally posted by kjjm4:
6.5x55 has a different base diameter than '06 or the Mauser cartridges. The Mausers and the '06 are .470", the Swede is .480". 9.3x62 has the same base diameter as the other Mauser rounds.

You are right about the Swede but wrong about the 9,3x62. It has a base of .476".

+1

M

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
My 9.3x62 rifle is a Husqvarna Model 1950 Sporter (M98 type action)which was made in "Scandahoovia" more than 60 years ago, and which I bought in England just over 40 years ago. It certainly is not one of the "American" guns.

But 9.3x62 ammo made from '06 brass has always worked perfectly in it.

This makes sense because you are inserting an undersized (albeit slightly) cartridge case into a standard chamber.

This really isn't that hard to verify. Just take a peek at the CIP specs.

But for grins, try inserting a European made 9,3x62 case into a .30-06 chamber. You are likely to encounter resistance.

I understand that, Mike, I was just trying to confirm that I do not get bulged bases on my 9.x62 ammo made from '06 brass, when I fire them.

Yes, you can size 30-06 brass down to 30-06 size, but once its fired you will have a bulge in the base, and that is not safe IMO and according to Pierre van der Walt in his book African Dangerous Game. If you do use 30-06 cases you will be giving up some critical powder space and losing about 5% to 8% in volueme. You will also be over working your brass and brass life will and does suffer and worst of all you will in time get head seperations. Sometimes the bulge is hardly noticeable but its there if you have a proper chamber, but some smiths use a 30-06 reamer and a 9.3 neck..A horrible option and in some ways criminal if they don't tell you.

The other question is why would one even consider using perfectly good 30-06 brass for a 9.3x62 when you can buy Graff 9.3x62 for about $34.00 per hundred from Huntingtons or Graff, and that is PPV brass and has more powder capacity than any other 9.3 brass and it lasts forever..I would opt for a chamber cast if I was in doubt.

"If one wants to use 06 cases then he would be better off with a 35 Whelan which btw is as close to the 9.3x62 as damnit is to cuss'en" another quote from Pierre van der Walt..His chapter ont he 9.3x62 would open up a bunch of eyes around here.

I don't have any idea why others use '06 brass to make 9.3x62 hulls, but I do that and always will because I have thousands of once-fired '06 brass out in my storage shed. Four completely full bushel baskets of them....

Why pay more than $35 a hundred for more brass (including shipping) and leave all that '06 brass unused when I can make some of it into 9.3x62 which will be used, at no expense to me?

I have perfectly good ammo for my rifle that way and still have more '06 brass than I can possibly use in a lifetime.

Try 270Win brass. Opening necks shortens the case, the slightly longer 270Win used to make perfect length 35Whelen for me. Try 270Win.
Cheers...
Con

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Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:
My question does not involve discourses relating to costs, 30-06 is cheaper than 9.3x62 or anything else, but if it is easier or not, which possible advantages and disadvantages, easiness in the operations and so on.

In bullet swaging it is always prefered to form jackets by sizing down as opposed to increasing the diameter, which is very similar to resizing cases but a bit more intense. That would be the easiest "direction" to go. But having said that, I resize 30-06 to 35 Whelen as well as 308 to 358 and it is not a problem at all, just make sure you properly lube them first.

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Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:
Ok, I know, in Italy we define this kind of questions such a mental mastubation, but, please be patient with me.

My question does not involve discourses relating to costs, 30-06 is cheaper than 9.3x62 or anything else, but if it is easier or not, which possible advantages and disadvantages, easiness in the operations and so on.

In my own experience, it has always been better to expand necks over shrinking them, yes they do get thinner with this method, but it is far better than them getting thicker and then finding you have to ream the necks so they fit in the chamber.
I always use 30-06 brass for my 338-06 and have never run into any trouble.

Cheers.

Why not use 338/06 brass.

As an aside, necking 9.3 to .338 would give you about 8% more powder than 338-06.

I have been resizing Win 30-06 brass to 338-06 for twenty years with zero issues. I suggest you do the same.

Because I already have a 30-06,I neck down 35 Whelen brass to keep the Head Stamp seperate.

Thank you all,
as I wrote, it is still far the moment when I'll have a .338-06 even if it is in my mind.

Now, as someone of you has a lot of 30-06 brass at home, I have several boxes of 9.3x62 cases, some shooted only once, some still new. Several brand, RWS, Norma, Lapua ...

And if necessary in pair of hours I can have boxes of Lapua 9.3x62 new cases, 100 of them each.

What in Italy do not exist are the .338-06 brassif I buy a rifle in .338-06 caliber in mandatory to reload, and I was examinting the various choices. 35 whelen in Italy does not exist, so one issue is solved.

Interesting, RyanB note about the increase of percentage of powder using 9.3x62 brass

I had a 338-06, now I have a 9.3. If you won't be shooting way too far, the only advantage of the smaller bore (ballistic coefficient) won't matter...

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
I'm not sure where .366torque got his notion, but 9.3x62 brass is identical in base diameter to .30-06. However, it is a tiny bit shorter.

The .30-06 base is .470" and the 9.3 X 62 base is .476". The 9.3 X 62 will not work in a .30-06 die.

The rim on the .30-06 is .473" and the rim on the 9.3 X 62 is .470", but this isn't about "rims", it's about bases.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

I've extracted by the magician cylinder that I have a .338WM dies and even if it is not the final and absolute test, I took a 9.3x62 and a 30-06 case and I run both in the dies.
Not the best, of course, but quite easy, maybe I've changes a little the .30-06 shoulger, pushing a little too much, and at the end the only macroscopic differences that I found are on basically the lenght (9.3 is shorter) of the neck and the shoulder angle.

But I repeat it is not significative