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| I have a mid-'80's PF Model 70 XTR in .300 Winnie. In its prime it would shoot selected loads 5/8" for 5 shots at 100 yards. It would shoot most anything into 1 1/2". I have since lit enough 4350 in it to have decreased its accuracy substantially. I believe it's due to become a .257 Wby or a .264 Winnie. It's been a very good rifle for a good many years.
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| IMO the M-70 push feed rifles in the .30-06-.270 Win class are SUPERIOR to CRF M-70. They have incredible strength and safety and function flawlessly. CRF may be an issue for dangerous game but for general big game hunting the push feed rifles get my vote anytime!
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| Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003 |
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| My Dad's number one go-to gun is a M-70 Ranger in .30-06. Bloody accurate. It's as tough and as reliable as a baseball bat. ________ "...And on the 8th day, God created beer so those crazy Canadians wouldn't take over the world..." |
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| thanks for all the replys. it doesnt sound like i got hurt too bad for 300$. |
| Posts: 97 | Location: maple valley, wash. | Registered: 19 September 2004 |
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| Does your rifle have the synthetic stock that has the lines of the Winchester Featherweight and a 24" barrel? I bought a PF M70 with the stock and barrel in that configuration, also a .270. Mine hit me for $400, but it did have 3x9X Ieupold on it. Bought one box of Winchester 150 gr. Power Points and loaded up a box of my pet .270 load with the 150 gr. Speer Hot-core and headed on out to the range. To make a long story short, the factory stuff did a 3 shot clover leaf that looked like a clover leaf. Most 3 shot groups did right at a half inch or less. My handloads grouped right along with the factory stuff. I did have about half a box of factory 130 gr. loads from several years back so I figured I'd shoot them up to get the brass. I shot one 5 shot group that was a hair under an inch and one 6 shot group that was slightly larger. I've always preferred the 150 gr. bullets in the .270 and they've always shot quite well for me. BTW, if your stock is in a solid configuration with no hollows, odds are it's a McMillan. I bought a Winchester Stainless Classic in .338 Win. mag. and that overpriced POS has a Tupperware stock that I would expect on a Walmart El Cheapo. A rifle that came close to $1,000 and they put a piece of crap like that on it. I'll probably take it to the next gun show and trade it off for another Winchester push feed and just eat the loss. How bad is that stock? Put it this way, a Ramline would be a major improvement. Get that trigger adjusted and it should be a pretty darn good shooter. Paul B. |
| Posts: 2814 | Location: Tucson AZ USA | Registered: 11 May 2001 |
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| The most accurate rifle I've ever owned was a late 80s vintage PF M70 in .300 H&H that easily shot .25' or less groups with Barnes 168gr TSXs over 69.0gr RL-19. It was mighty accurate with just about anything else as well. I also have a late 70s M70 PF in .243 that is damned accurate also that is my groundhog gun. I believe they are on average a bit more accurate than the CRF M70s. |
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| quote: I believe they are on average a bit more accurate than the CRF M70s.
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| This group was shot with the aforementioned rifle, 3 shots at 100 yards. |
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| Thats a tack driver!I have a old xtr 270 featherweight PF and its very accurate as well & shucks and feeds as well as any rifle i have ever shot... |
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| The push feed M70 was a very popular target action for the High Power and long range crowd. The Pre 64 was pricey, so many opted for the push feed. You will find that if your rifle has good bedding, a good barrel, and you shoot good bullets, the accuracy will be just fine. The only thing that wears on those rifles is the extractor. Expect to replace it in 50,000 rounds. Maybe 25,000. It will be awhile. The firing pin cocking piece nose breaks occasionally, might want to get a David Tubb cocking piece while they are still available. This is what a broken one looks like on a pre 64 assembly. Happens to them too. |
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| Looks like the bolt knob is embarrassed that it broke.
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| Posts: 582 | Location: Western PA, USA | Registered: 04 August 2003 |
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| Well said Slamfire! Nothing like few thousand rounds a year or so to really find out what works and what does not work. You are spot on about the PF 70's for match rifles and believe Mr. Tubbs used one for a while due to it's smoothness and quick working of the bolt in rapid fire. Nothing like rounds down range to debunk the hype on lots of rifles out there. |
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| quote: Originally posted by bja105: Looks like the bolt knob is embarrassed that it broke. |
| Posts: 231 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 22 December 2003 |
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| I bought a 670 push feed .30-06 for $229 in the eighties. I put a cheap Bushnell scope on it and it was terrible. Put on a Leupold 3X9 and a cheap Ramline stock and it easily shot 1 MOA. I took a two day hunting rifle shooting course and the instructor (SWAT sniper) fell in love with it. He insisted on using my rifle for all demo's. I view it as having all the virtues of both the Rem 700 and the Win M70.
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| Posts: 266 | Location: Northern Illinois | Registered: 14 January 2005 |
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| The only issue I've ever had with my 270 model 70 push feed was when I put 5 rounds in the magazine. They "fit", but the top one would not feed cleanly. Now, I am content with 4 or even just 3 in the mag. friar
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| I have a geriatric friend that I work with who has a 670 in .243 that he has exceptional luck with. He has taken several mulies with head shots (without losing an animal) that he has called with witnesses. Just last year he took a cow elk at 640 yds in the head that he called with witnesses. Now I am not promoting head shots, but he is exceptionally accurate with his cheap 50 year old rifle. I think that says something about the model 70 push feeds potential.
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| Posts: 427 | Location: The Big Sky aka Dodson, MT | Registered: 22 May 2007 |
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| i took the new md 70 to the range. i bore sighted it and got it on paper. still havent done the trigger. im sure it is over 12 lbs. i took the target out to 100yds. moved the poi down 3 inches and shot 3 of my 130 horn s.p over 60gr of H4831. the group measured 5/8s of an inch. but the trigger has got to be addressed. i think it will be a good shooter. i thought the safety was still on every time i tried to fire. dont know why this one ever left the factory with such an absymal trigger. |
| Posts: 97 | Location: maple valley, wash. | Registered: 19 September 2004 |
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| quote: Originally posted by GrosVentreGeorge: I have a geriatric friend that I work with who has a 670 in .243 that he has exceptional luck with. He has taken several mulies with head shots (without losing an animal) that he has called with witnesses. Just last year he took a cow elk at 640 yds in the head that he called with witnesses. Now I am not promoting head shots, but he is exceptionally accurate with his cheap 50 year old rifle. I think that says something about the model 70 push feeds potential.
Your friend is an idiot.. If anyone would purposely try to shoot an elk in the head at 640 yards should be locked up.
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