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Hey fellas what are your thoughts on this cartridge? My brother and I have remington classics in 8X57, he is going to rechamber his too the 06 version. Mine will stay original since I have a whelen. I think its a good move, are there any drawbacks? Brass should be easy to do and he should get some velocity increase. Both rifles shoot good with 180 TSX's, I think he's hoping for 2900 with the 180's. He's getting 2750 now. Straight shootin to ya | ||
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The 8mm-06 is a great round.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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8mm-06 if it were a factory round would be my choice for an all around NA rifle. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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If it were mine I would NOT rechamber it. With modern powders the 8x57 will do anything (sensible) that the 8mm-06 will do. You MAY find that you also have "issues" with reliability of feeding. I can't see, now, in 2007, what advatages that 8mm-06 gives. The chambering surely only exists because of a post-WWII shortage of brass. I would leave the rifle alone. Spend the money your were going to spend on the rechamber work on some 8x57 cases. You'll also perhaps find that 8x57 dies are cheaper on eBay than 8mm-06. 7x57 to 280 Remington makes sense. 8x57 to 8mm-06 doesn't IMHO. | |||
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Oh not mine, my brother is doing this. I was curious if there were really any advantages we both own classics in 8X57 Straight shootin to ya | |||
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Well no, no advantages that I can really see. If you were shipwrecked on the mythical "desert island" and you had a lot of cheap 30-06 cases and 7.92 Mauser cases were unobtainable, maybe. To my mind unless you have got "free" 30-06 cases, you are going to have to buy them anyway. So why not just buy 7.92mm? Also you will be using up time on converting these cases from 30-06 to 7.92mm that could be better spent on other things. In 1919 and 1946 then yes, it probably was a sensible conversion, given that 7.92mm cases were not available in the US. Nowadays I can't see the point. One thing is for sure...it will have a downward effect on the re-sale value of the rifle. You must save your brother from himself! | |||
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Yeah and he killed an elk with it this year. Handloaded TSX's around a 250 yd shot! Straight shootin to ya | |||
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It's your brother's rifle and he should do with it what pleases him. Brass is not an issue since both 8mm/06 and 8x57 are readily made from .30-06 cases. To the limited extent that there is collector value in a Remington 700 Classic, it might knock a few bucks off of his rifle, but if he is going to hunt with the gun anyway, there will be little difference in resale as actually using the gun under hunting conditions will negate any potential collector value after a while. As to Enfieldspare's assertion that an 8x57 will do anything an 8mm/06 will, well I suppose that is true in practical terms (i.e., kill a deer, bear, elk, etc.) However, the larger capacity .30-06 case will provide perhaps 100-150 fps more velocity at the same pressures as the smaller case. If this is important to your brother, then have at it. The larger case would certainly provide enhanced performance with the heavier bullets like the 200 grain Nosler Partition and Accubond, giving his rechambered gun a little advantage for big game like elk or moose. The magazine/follower in the Rem 700 long action is identical for any of the .470" cases, from .25-06 up through .35 Whelen, so feeding is a non-issue. | |||
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 Years back I rechambered a number of Mod 98s to 8mm-06, and think it is a great cartridge, but would never do it to the Classic for the fps. gain that you'd get.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I am in the don't do it camp. Don Nelson Sw. PA. | |||
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Me too But I'd rebarrel it in .338-06 and keep the classic barrel in case you wish to resell the gun. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I wouldn't do it, strictly because of the decrease in value of a limited edition rifle.. I saw a pre 64 Model 70 that was factory chambered in 7 x 57, and that is what was stamped on the barrel.. however, it had been bored out to a 280 Remington... which dropped its value considerably... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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I really like the idea of an 8mm-06 and would build one if I had a chance, but probably wouldn't ream an M700 Classic for 100fps unless I was shooting mostly moose/elk/bear with it and wanted to drive the 200gr. bullets a bit faster. ________  "...And on the 8th day, God created beer so those crazy Canadians wouldn't take over the world..." | |||
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Did you and your brother purchase the Remington Classics as collectors or as shooters? If as collectors speculating on value appreciation, you'll likley be disappointed. The Remington 700 is an excellent and well-designed rifle, but even in "limited editions", it will never have significant collector's value. There are just too many of them and they keep on making more. If kept new and unfired, the rifle would struggle to keep up with the Consumer Price Index through the years, so it is a poor choice as an investment vehicle. Just ask the guys whose Winchester 94 Commemoratives will bring half the price in terms of constant dollars that they paid twenty years ago. However, let's assume that I am mistaken and somehow the rifle will gain a significant collector following some years down the road. But if you use it as a shooter and hunt seriously with it, then no matter how well you take care of it, its value as a collector will be minimal. For collectors, condition is everything. Serious hunting with a rifle necessarily takes an unavoidable toll on condition. As I said in a previous post, your brother should do with his rifle whatever gives him pleasure. The $150-200 that he spends in having the barrel rechambered and buying reloading dies for it is less than he can expect the rifle to appreciate in the foreseeable future, so what's the issue? He didn't buy the gun to get rich, he bought it to enjoy. If having a slightly more powerful wildcat rifle brings him joy, then that's what he should do. If it were mine, I'd keep it as it is. But that's what would please me most and it's not my rifle! | |||
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He's going to do it, i was curious about the actual gains. We bought them to hunt with,mine will stay the same and the stock is put up. I'm running a cdl sf stock on mine but its more because I like the stock design(cdl). I love the caliber myself. I'm getting 2700 fps w/ 180gr bullets and not pushing it either. Straight shootin to ya | |||
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I wouldn't do it because past experience has taught me that the gains are more paper than reality. However, that was a long time ago and with modern powders, maybe there is some advantage to be gained. In the past, the 50 fps just wan't worth it. Please keep us posted though as I'd love to see if things have changed. | |||
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Velocity gain is 1/4 the % powder gain. You can hunt longer with the wind at your back | |||
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It can't be a bad caliber, it is in all reality a 338-06 or mighty close..I would make it a 8mm-06 IMP if I were doing that. I like the shoulder and it headspaces well and give you a tad more velocity and cases lasted longer in the .338-06 so that should apply to the 8mm/06 also. Why not, I doubt that it will ever be that much of a collectors item anyway.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I wouldn't do it either to the M700 Classic. Buy an old Sporterized Mauser and rechamber if he really wants to try this cartridge. He isn't going to get a signifigant gain off of the 06 case. I have an 8mm-06, but I bought my VZ-24 Mauser already chambered in it for $200 with dies. Your brother should get great performance out of his 8X57 round if he handloads to its potential. There isn't a problem finding 8mm brass anymore so there isn't any real reason to rechamber to 8mm-06, unless the throat has been shot out. Takes a lot of rounds out of a 8X57 to shoot a throat out anyway. | |||
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 Here are some ""rough"" numbers that will illustrate velocity gain compared to additional powder charge and increase in energy.These were not done with any soft ware.KE= 1/2 mV^2 , Let m =(C)*bullet weight in grains. Powder charge = 60 gr., Bullet = 150 gr., Velocity = 3000fps.KE= .5*150*C* 3000^2=2970ft.lbs. C=.0000044 60gr.powder/2970ft.lbs = 65gr. powder/KE 60KE =2970*65, KE = 3217.5 ft.lbs. 3217.5 =.5*150*.0000044*v^2, ,v^2=9750000, ,,v=3122fps. 8.3% change in powder charge produces a a 4.1% change in velocity.Rough numbers to be sure but in the ball park.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Having looked at 8mm load data ad nauseam recently (in preparation for my 8x60S) it seemed to me that what difference there was was for the 200gr plus bullet weights. If your friend has a 30-06 he would be wise to devise a way to ensure ammunition didn't get mixed. | |||
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Thanks guys, I'll relay the info.  Straight shootin to ya | |||
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I'm with Atkinson on this, and I have had both versions. | |||
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I would do it just because Rem721 said he wouldn't do it.  Also becasue I don't think that gun will appreciate more than the rate of inflation, just like most guns don't. If you have to wait 40 years to make a couple hundred bucks on a collector you might just as well have used the damn thing or put the money in the bank instead. | |||
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I have several 8x57's and 8x60's and I wouldn't do it either. I like my 8x60's but truthfully there is very little gain over the 8x57 and 8x57 factory ammo is downright easy to come by in comparison. Yeah, the Rem is not likely to gain much in value. Hell the few I've seen seem to be selling at a discount, but it is a hell of a nice rifle as-is. But, like Mike Dettorre said, if it were a factory round, well, now that's a different story.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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