I have noticed that on various forums I regularly visit that nobody speaks anymore of the 7mm rem. mag. ! How come ? Isn’t it good anymore ? Is it out of fashion ? Gone into oblivious ? I remember when people wonted to step up from the .243 or .270 kind of cartridges, the 7mm rem. mag. was highly recommended...now it’s the 300 mag. or the short mags. ! Do AR members still use the 7mm rem mag. and do they like it ?

I agree. Plenty big for most game, and big "enough" for the rest.

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I think it's like the 30-06. It's not perfect for anything, but will work for everything.

I agree

the 7mm what?
is that like a 7x64?

I enjoy mine, accurate, flat shooting, and you can load it to have 1000 ft lbs. at 1000 yards, which is sort of a magical number for me.

I have a 7mm Mag, and it is very accurate shooting three shots into less than 1/2" at 100 yards.
My son just killed a Deer with it last week. The bullet broke both shoulders, and destroyed the lungs, with the Buck just dropping dead instantly. The bullet was a 150 grain Nosler Partition.
The rifle is a Mark X in a black McMillan stock.

Don

What happened to the 7mm RM? It is alive and well and positioned between my 264WM and 300WM in the safe. Great cartridge with a wide range of bullet weights, works just fine for everything in the lower 48 with the correct loading, mine will be around for a long time.

One of my earliest rifles was a 7 mm RM. It has over 3000 rounds through it, and still shoots 3 175 grain TBBCs into 3/4". It shoots 3 160 grain TSXs into 1/2 inch, as it does 160 grain FSs. I doubt that I will ever be without a 7 mm RM, though I do enjoy shooting the 7 mm WSM and the 280 Rem.

Hunted with 1 last weekend..fine round, mine's set up as a rainny day rifle with a bushnell raingard scope.

The 7mm Remington Magnum is very alive and kicking. It is one of the most popular deer cartridges in the Southern states and for those that only shoot factory loads, they are very easy to come by.

I've owned 4 300 Mags and 3 7RMs, I'll be the first to say the 300s offer little more if any. For instance, I'd shoot anything with a 7RM loaded with 160 NABs at 3100 fps that I would with a 300 WM loaded with 180 NABs at 3100 fps. If you run the numbers, the 7 slightly beats the 300WM in trajectory and wind drift. Not enough to matter, but it is present.

I don't think I'll be trading in any of my 7RMs any time soon.

Maybe it's just luck, but I've found the 7RM and the 270 Win to be the easiest hunting carts to load for. That's through custom loading for others and my own personal rifles. It's just been easy to find accurate loads for them in various factory rifles. I know it's just luck of the draw, but I can't say the same for the 300WMs I've loaded for...

Have a Good One,

Reloader

Like the 30-06, the 7m/m Remington magnum is so successful that it has become mundane. Simply put, folks are avoiding them for the promise of new and improved (i.e. WSM's), but the joke is on them. So successful is the 7m/m magnum that it rose from new, to top o' the heap, in a few short years. Fact is had Winchester chosen .284" instead of the .264", Remington Arms might not be with us today. Think about it: Winchester's model 70s was sexy, Remington's 700 was ordinary, however, all that changed in '64 with the new model 70.

True there were dimensional issues with the big 7, but every civilized wildcat had some teething and manufacturing issues: witness Weatherby and the various twist rates used in his early rifles. A man who set trends, Weatherby also chose the 7m/m as one of his mid-sized calbres, and did so because he knew .284" bullets held promise (and a certain amount of ballistic magic).

Whether or not you choose to give Bowman, Page, or Remington credit for the big 7, we can all be thankful that Remington had the foresight to domesticate it. Blessed with a plethora of bullets, the 7m/m is second only to the .308" family in bullet selection, and that's standing in good company in any book.

As for the naysayers, it is more than clear that they haven't seriously worked with the cartridge choosing instead to bash it when all didn't go right. The 7m/m Rem mag is anything but a one bullet wonder, something many other cartridges can't lay claim to.

I love my 7mm Rem. Mag. Here's my repeat pic with 150 Btips:

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Originally posted by buckshot:
Like the 30-06, the 7m/m Remington magnum is so successful that it has become mundane. Simply put, folks are avoiding them for the promise of new and improved (i.e. WSM's), but the joke is on them.

So popular its mundane - I like that - and agree. Not to hijack, but .270 WSM seems to be selling better than the 7mm, yet the two seem to be ballistically identical save for the 7mm's ability to throw 160 ang 175 grainers.

I love my 7mm Rem. It's still the best all around .284 out there for my money.

I bought my first 7m/m Rem Mag, a Remington 700 BDL, during the first month of commercial production of that rifle and cartridge. I still have it.

I was already interested in 7 m/m Mags, from when I started reading about Warren Page's adventures with his 7 m/m Mashburn Mag(s) years prior to the 7 Remaggie.

Eventually also tried the 7 m/m Weatherby Mag, several Schultz & Larsen 7x61 S&H Mags, a matched pair of Holland & Holland Mausers in .275 H&H, and who knows how many others...plus those which were not quite mags...the 7x64, the .280 Rem, and so on, and both up and down from there.

I'm not a person who proselytizes for the 7 m/m Mag, but I haven't been without one for 45 years now....and that's not an accident.

There seems to be little if any real world performance difference between the 7 WbyM, the 7 RemM, and the 7x61 S&HM, so there's room in my vault for all three, all the time. (And another .275 Holland Mag Mauser, if anyone wants to give me one!!!)

My current 7 m/m WbyM is one of the few rifles I have ever owned in .284" or larger calibers that is an honest .5 MOA rifle day in and day out.

It is a factory Rem 700 BDL action & trigger (1962 version), with a "takeoff" composite Remington factory stock added, un-bedded, and another "takeoff" factory Remington stainless sporter barrel spun on. It was all screwed together with no chamber or threading tweaks to the barrel or action. Feeds fine, and shoots great!! Same goes for many folks' 7 m/m Remington versions of the 7m/m magnum concept.

Seems to me the guys above have said it all...it has been so good, so long, that now all the status seekers, or the uninitiated, or those that have lots of experience but are now a little bored, find it passe.

Too bad, for both cartridge sales and them!
But even if it totally disappears tomorrow (which it won't), the 7 m/m Remington Magnum will always be one of the classic, best, medium game chamberings of all time.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

Seems to me the guys above have said it all...it has been so good, so long, that now all the status seekers, or the uninitiated, or those that have lots of experience but are now a little bored, find it passe.

There's just something funny about calling a rifle caliber passe.

The 7RM is still very popular for antelope, deer & elk. It's not flashy anymore, w/ the newer, faster 7mms, but gets the job done just fine.

I liked my .308 and .338 mags so much that I made my 7mm Remmy into a .458 AR ... much more interesting!

I have two. I see no reason to reinvent the wheel, when I've been shooting an A Bolt Medallion for fifteen years that will group half an inch with 160 A Frames and kill African animals like a 700 lb kudu with one shot. I had seven one shot kills in RSA in '05. Last week, I shot a big fat SC doe for the pot with the Browning. It resides next to my .375 H&H, my .300 ultra, and my 25'06. It'll shoot anything on the planet and kill it. Maybe it's out of fashion with some, but I'm not into nor will I ever be into fashionable calibers. I'm into functional calibers and the the 7mm Remington Magnum is one of those, in spades.

it flunked the class

I have owned one, a Sako Pre-Garcia. Shot great but was very loud and kicked harder than I was used to. I switched to the .280 Rem and never looked back. The .280 does everything I need with less aggravation.

My young next door neighbor is a promising gun nut and works at a Turner's store here in Pasadena CA. Just mon. nite he was telling me how they sell a large number of 7mm., Rem Mag. rifles. It really is a big seller. To be honest I was pleasantly surprised. roger

The 7mm Remington Magnum suffers fom the American fetish...sorry guys...for an unecessary "belt", on a cartridge that by design possesses an adequate shoulder, as does the .300 Winchester Magnum, etc., etc.

Without the belt it would have been, I think, a truly great cartridge, a modern .280 Ross, of far better flexibility and utility than any .270 Winchester or .280 Remington.

The other disappointment, and why it failed long term I don't know, was the 6mm Remington/.244 Remington concept which was a pity. Far better than the .243 Winchester but handicapped by its poor start due to wrong marketed rifle pitch and bullet weight.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
The 7mm Remington Magnum suffers fom the American fetish...sorry guys...for an unecessary "belt", on a cartridge that by design possesses an adequate shoulder, as does the .300 Winchester Magnum, etc., etc.

Without the belt it would have been, I think, a truly great cartridge, a modern .280 Ross, of far better flexibility and utility than any .270 Winchester or .280 Remington.

The other disappointment, and why it failed long term I don't know, was the 6mm Remington/.244 Remington concept which was a pity. Far better than the .243 Winchester but handicapped by its poor start due to wrong marketed rifle pitch and bullet weight.

I just don’t get the constant complaints about belted cartridges. It has a belt, so what? American gun manufacturers didn’t invite it. You can blame a European company for that, Holland & Holland.

People in America (wildcatters) saw a new large capacity cartridge, which would work in the America bolt actions of the time. Those H&H cartridges were just begging to be played with. The belt, although not necessary for head spacing on the rounds that sprang up, became synonymous with Magnum. All I can say about the belt/magnum relationship, is get over it, it’s not going away. It’s hard to change the mindset of the general public.

As far as the 6mm Remington goes. After they made their first screw up with the rifling twist, if they would have put a belt on it and called it a magnum, who knows where it would be today.

Had mine since 1978... every thing I point it at... boom down she goes. It shoots flat.. kills well.. is extremely accurate. It just plain works for me.. my brother had one as well same story.
I have only ever shot 160 gr Nosler partition mostly..with some 150 gr thrown in. Mine will do 3 shots into 1/2" with the 160.

I have a 7mm Rem Mag and have been quite happy with it. I was amused to find out some years ago when moving to Alaska that it was not well liked here at all. I guess the heavy bullet options available in .30 cal and larger are much favored here, so much so that the 30-06 is much more popular than the 7mm Rem Mag in AK.

I suppose the .338 Win Mag has taken over for it up here....

And I appreciate my 375 H&H when moose hunting among the BIG bear tracks....

I suppose it ultimately depends what you like. Two calibers I don't see myself ever getting rid of are the 7mm RM and the 30-06.

Cheers,

Dan

I love mine. Shoots very well, flat tradjectory, hits like a hammer, and doesn't beat you up like some of the big 30s. As was previously stated, it's like the '06. Boring in that it always performs without a hiccup.

gd

Doc- purdy rifle!

I fit into the class that doesn't have one and won't touch one. I usually use a 35 Whelen, 338 federal, 300 weatherby, 7-08, or a 338 win mag in 7mm situations. I agree with those that said it's so popular it's become mundane. This is especially true on rifle/hunting forums because what hasn't already been said about the 7mm rem mag, and who really wants to rehash or reiterate old news?

I don't currantly have a 7mm Mag.
I stated my currant collection with a 30,06.
And although I like the 7 mag alot when I wanted to step up from my 06, I took a bigger step.
I went with the 7mmSTW. I think the 06 and the 7 mag are the 2 best general purpose cartridges out there.
But with an 06 I did,nt need one.
Now I have about 14 rifles or so. I still don't neeed one.
But I sure want one. I want to add one to my collection. Probably a Mk 10 or a custom mauser.
You can't be a rifle loonie with out a 7 mag.
Well I guess you can , cause I am one but its a little , strange...tj3006

In the Good Doctors opinion it's the most popular Rifle caliber next to 30/06 !. If it hadn't been for WW1 & WW11 with all the inexpensive 06's surplus sales it well may have been the # 1 Rifle cartridge .

I fully understand why some people don't use them or are afraid of them . MAGNUM conjures up scary recoil in the minds of some . Experience shows the rest of us Bullet weight plus velocity equals RECOIL !.

I own a few and just bought a new one last month .
I guess I could have bought another caliber ( Why I don't know , it isn't like I don't have 12 different ones now ) .The new short mags don't do much for me !. Little or no gain isn't worth the additional dies and effort to reload , least wise to me .

I consider the 7mm Rem mag to be the Perfect North American all around caliber . Quick powerful flat shooting clean killing IMO any way !.

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

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I just don’t get the constant complaints about belted cartridges. It has a belt, so what?

It restricts the capacity of the magazine to four instead of five, or, requires the magazine and magazine area to be larger than on a non-belted cartridge.

If everything that was once though synonymous with powerful performance was "good" we would still be putting "fins" on the backs of cars!

Hey Doc,

Great rifle, and a lefty!!!! makes it even better!

7mm Mag Factory Ammo + Chronograph = Disappointment

And secondly, I think that the "average Joe" who shoots less than a box of ammo a year is better served with a 270 than a 7 Mag.

My first new rifle purchase was a Browning A-Bolt in 7mm Rem. Mag. about 20 years ago. I put a 4x Burris on it, and never changed anything else. I used it for deer only. Using Nosler 175 Partitions, I had a string of 5 shots, and 5 instant kills during those first years. Somehow, I felt the need for another caliber or rifle and sold it. I regret not having a 7mm Mag. to this day.

I went the other way- never saw the need to have a 7MM Mag. My '06 can and does everything I need a rifle to do with alot less recoil! Better bullet selection too! Burn alot less powder, kills just as good. There isn't a critter that has walked this earth it hasn't killed. Call me boring!

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Originally posted by PUMA454:
I went the other way- never saw the need to have a 7MM Mag. My '06 can and does everything I need a rifle to do with alot less recoil! Better bullet selection too! Burn alot less powder, kills just as good. There isn't a critter that has walked this earth it hasn't killed. Call me boring!

I can't argue with this logic...I've got at least nine '06 commercial sporters of various makes for pretty much the same reasons. I just never found duplication or overlap to be a good reason to not try another chambering (or three). May be why I currently have a vault full of rifles and about 125 sets of actively used loading dies...!!

(But, all said and done, the 7 m/m Rem Mag is STILL a very good medium game cartridge which has well earned its status as a "classic".)

Oh, and for me, a 7m/m Mag + a chrono does NOT equal disappointment. I am not interested in the hottest barn burners out there, one way or another. The 7 m/m Rem Mag does the jobs I'd pick it up for, and does them well. that's good enough for me. "Moderation", in chamberings as in everything else, seems to me a good way to get the most out of life when both potential benefits and potential hassles are balanced at the end of the run.

Anyone else's mileage may vary, which is their privilege. That's just my view.

I had a 7mmRM from the start and used it quite a bit. Good ballistics, good bullets. However I had constant headspace problems when handloading.

The factory chambers that I had were really sloppy and I had to make brass from 300 WM's.

Now I read over on 24hrcampfire that the 7mm RM has shown many pressure spikes in lab tests and therefore its loaded down.

I am shooting the 7mm WSM and 7-57 these days. I would not buy another belted bottlenecked chambered rifle.

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:

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I just don’t get the constant complaints about belted cartridges. It has a belt, so what?

It restricts the capacity of the magazine to four instead of five, or, requires the magazine and magazine area to be larger than on a non-belted cartridge.

If everything that was once though synonymous with powerful performance was "good" we would still be putting "fins" on the backs of cars!

Enfieldspares,

Ok, I can understand that. But you’re talking to a man that only hunts with single shot rifles. So the “belted cartridge†complains are lost on me.

Savage 99 Headspace problems ??. I've never heard such a thing with 7 Rem mag.

I've seen tall brass ( neck stretch ) . If any caliber is properly set up in a particular brand of rifle factory spec ammo should fit with out any problems .

My only regret is my failure to purchase several more 3000L's when they were $247.00 -$310.00 .

I've been using #1 particular 7mm Rem mag. Mauser 3000L since 1964 for hunting on several continents . I've grown so fond of that dam thing I'm actually retiring it from hunting trips now . It still puts #5 inside a quarter at 100 meters I wore out my first set of dies some years back and am on my second set now .

Never had to touch the Rifle , I did how ever put on a VX-111 leupold some years back , Never regretted that either !.
Next to my Zeiss's and These New Nikon Monarch scopes I think I made the best optics choices for the money . IMO !.
If anyone is considering new scopes Please check out Nikon , I believe you'll be glad you did . I now consider them on par with ANYONE'S GLASS .

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

Most of them have been turned into the various AR big bores. We are singlehandedly trying to extinctify an entire part of rifle history.