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Sumbuddy know anything about this rifle?  It says Flaig Ace on the barrel, real nice FN action. I'm not much into thumbhole stocks but whoever did the work did a nice job. The LOP is 13" (is it normal for a thumbhole stock to be a little shorter? If it is a custom by Flaig ..I was curious about what kind of barrel's they used? Thanks in advance for any info.. Terry Sendero300>>>===TerryP | ||
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Flaigs was a great shop here in Pittsburgh. Not sure about the Flaig Ace Though. | |||
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Iron Buck is right. Flaigs was a very excellent shop operating out of Millvale, PA all through the '50s and at least part of the '60s. One of their specialty products was trigger shoes, another was barrels, and a third was complete semi-custom Mausers. They also offered very good quality stocking services in both walnut and maple and had at least a couple of German trained gunsmiths at various times. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I believe atone time Dieter Apel (SP) was one of them. I believe their barrels were imported from Germany, but will have to find some of my old materials from them to confirm that. I know their semi-custom sporters were $400 when brand new Remingtons and Winchesters were less than $175. Their guns are nice items for a collection of traditional American sporters. | |||
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IIRC, Heym made their barrels. Bears scrutiny.   http://www.ioffer.com/i/1954-ad-Flaig-s-Lodge-Millvale-...es-Ace-rifl-42590271 http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cof=&q=Flaig%27s+guns&start=20&sa=N "Ace" referred to the barrel, I think- in my searching, I found reference to it being on a barrel made to an '03 receiver, chambered in .338 | |||
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"Ace" was their own "brand" name, and referred to both barrels and trigger shoes, as well as some other items they sold. At one time in my shooting life I lusted for lots of their things, just as I did later in the Waffen Frankonia catalogues. I know they sold a lot of Douglas barrels among their cheaper priced stuff, but I believe you are right on their more expensive, prefered barrels. I think they WERE Heym barrels. | |||
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Here we go with some First Class rumor mongering- or maybe just salesmanship 101  scroll to "description": http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=112833498 Heym barrels were/are excellent. I use (and will next week in Montana) what was marketed as a low-end Heym (7x57) around 1969-70. Great barrel, and trigger, also. I'm trying to get myself worked into a will on that item... | |||
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I have a Flaigs Mauser in 257 Robts, circa 1950's/60's. It's stocked very much like the same period Weatherby rifles. Monte Carlo, high cheek piece, rosewood forend, etc. Shoots great, and I love it. Found it in at Ron Peterson's in Albuquerque. Great gun. 114-R10David | |||
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Flaig's was in Millvale, PA, just North of Pittsburgh. The Flaig Ace barrels were Douglas barrels. I visited there often when I lived on a farm near Mars, PA. Flaigs was in business well into the 1970's when Charley Flaig was alive, then stayed open to around 1989 when it folded. Bill Knabel ran the store after Charley died at age 86, in the mid 70's IIRC. Don | |||
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They actually stayed in business until at least the mid 1990's. The wife was behind teh scenes after the oldman died. Although they scaled back a lot. I had them do work on a 7 mag I have in 94 or 95. Always a great play to see. The lodge & grounds made you feel like you were in Bavaria......not 5 Minutes North of downtown Pittsburgh. I regret not having taken pictures of the place when the opportunity was there. The sign was still up just a few years ago and may still be there now behind all the brush. Not sure if teh lodge or outbuildings are still up there. I have not driven to the top of the hill in years. All the pines still exist, so you cannot see anything from down on the main street. After that Bill opened up a shop in Wexford just minutes from my house. Still had great service, but the atmosphere was long gone. They closed up there in the late 90s. To my Knowledge that was it. I still run across some of Flaigs rifles around here from time to time. I have yet to buy one but suspect someday I will. | |||
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I never bought one of their rifles, but keep my eyes open for any that might be for sale. I just haven't seen one I'm interested in. There was one about two years ago that was for sale, but it wasn't one that I would buy. Don | |||
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Actually the Ace barrels were a slightly cheaper grade Flaigs offered. They seemed to have a never ending supply of Mauser actions and rifles. The rumor was that during World War II weapons "for the invasion" were smuggled into the states and stored there. I got this from a good friend who worked there. If you were not of German heritage, you did not work for the old man. It was an amazing shop with an amazing owner complete with his German Alsatians as he called them. If he liked you and your name sounded German you were given as a gift a print "The Hunters Funeral"! I think Deitrich Apel got his start with the German gun maker near Philadelphia Paul Jeager (SP?) who was his uncle. | |||
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I have seen a couple of Flaig custom built 250-3000s in the past few years. They were FN Mausers and the next one I see hopefully I will be able to buy. A couple of months ago I purchased a William Sukalle custom Mauser in 257 Roberts, not a bad little rifle, I googled his name and he built guns in the 30s and 40s. | |||
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Did you ever ask Bill what happened to all of the fine German guns that Charley had there? After Charley died, all of those guns disappeared. I went in the store a few years after Charley left the scene, and none were to be found. Charley had two full gun racks in the room just behind the store that were filled with German drillings owned by the top Nazi's of WW II. He had Herman Goering's drilling and Charley invited me back there to look at it. I got to see all of the others too. Plus, in the store itself he had the fine Ferlachs on the racks for sale. Don | |||
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The Flaig's semi-custom rifles were also available on Sako actions if memory serves. The rifles were mostly styled in the trend of the 60's -- thumbholes such as yours, as well as monte-carlos with diamond inlays. They were not at all what we now refer to as "classic" style rifles. You might say that they have a dated appearance, but like women's styles of the 60's, they might still get a "rise" out of me. | |||
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Thanks for the all the info... I picked up this rifle because of a renewed interest in the FN mausers but also the workmanship seems to be top notch. The bolt is jeweled nicely and the blueing is nice. The stock also is a tight fit (no glass bedding) and the inletting is nice also.. "You might say that they have a dated appearance, but like women's styles of the 60's" Stonecreek..my feelings exactly... My stock is similar to the one on gunbroker except for the thumbhole.. Sendero300>>>===TerryP | |||
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Flaig seemed to use a lot of Mauser 98 actions for his builds, along with Douglas barrels. I asked Charley in 1960 what barrels he used for his custom rifles and he said Douglas. But, he may have used others too, like the Bofors, and Sako actions too. When I asked him, we were looking at some rifles he had in front of him at the time, which were 98's with Douglas barrels. They did very good work, and I would buy a Flaig rifle today in a heartbeat. I know their stockmaker was first class. Don | |||
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Yes, Sako supplied triggers for the later FN actions. Earlier FN actions used an adaptation of the old military style trigger (ugggh!). I took a spare Sako trigger (with the safety removed) and installed it on an old FN action with the wing striker safety. Fit like a glove and broke like glass! I later came by a Mini Mark X with a custom barrel in .221 which badly needed a better trigger, so I cannabilized the Sako trigger from the FN and installed it on the Mini Mark X. Again, a sweet, light pull. Now I'm going to take the Mini Mark X trigger and put it on the FN. It won't be as nice as the Sako, but still a huge improvement over the factory military trigger. | |||
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Had a semi-custom .358 Win. built by Flaigs on a Mark-X action with Douglas Premium bbl. as advertized in a gun magazine for $128.00 but by the time they received my order through a local gun shop it was $160.oo. This was in the early 1970's. Also had a Douglas Premium bbl. in .222 Rem. installed on my Sako L46 action and contoured to the origional bbl. around 1998. Shoots GREAT-------1/2" 3 shot 100 yd groups with a 3-9 Leupold scope at 100 yds.----not bad for a really light rifle! I didn't know the place had so much history! Hipshot | |||
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