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Has anyone tried using the 200gr Barnes Flat Base TSX in a .30-06 Spfld? My Brno seemed to shoot best with the old 180gr Barnes X Flat Base bullets which are no longer available. Only the TSX 200gr is available with a flat base and not the 180gr bullet. If anyone has any thoughts or experiences with this combination please let me know. Thanks | ||
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I would think a 200gr monometal bullet would be quite long...might have to seat it a bit deep. | |||
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I think it would be better to go with a traditional bullet in 200 grains for the 30-06. Something like the Sierra Game King or Nosler Partition. I think the Barnes X may have a difficult time opening up at the lower impact velocities from a 30-06. The Sierra, Speer, Hornady and Nosler would most likely open up better, but still stay together at those velocities which are probably 2,500fps to 2,600fps depending on your barrel, load, etc. | |||
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168TTSX in 30-06 is excellent. | |||
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They have been killing things well for long time. I shoot 220gr RN at 2350 out of my 06 scout it kills well. | |||
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Jac While the TSX bullets are great bullets and perform in the magnums a 200 gr monometal bullet is hardly required in a 30-06. As already suggested a std cup and core bullet performs quite well @ 30-06 velocities. I would suggest you give the Speer 200 gr flat base spitzer bullet a try. I have found them to be accurate and they penetrate on large game like elk and moose. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. | |||
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Years ago, I helped a friend load 200 gr. Barnes X bullets for a 300 mag. They shot well at 100 yards but scattered all over the paper at 200. We determined that the bullet was too long for the 1-10 twist. The Nosler 200 grain shot fine. Be sure to try it at 200 yards. Mark Pursell | |||
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+2 Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Listen to Shumba, snowman & 10generation. Good advice. IMO, of course. | |||
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Thank you all for the advice. I did initially think the 200gr TSX was a bit too long for the .30-06. I think I will just stick with standard 200gr bullets. Cheers | |||
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Hunted with Ian Gibson twice in Chewore and I always remember him saying the 30-06 loaded with 180 grain Nosler Partitions was one of the best plainsgame loads he has seen. May have also been due to the fact that many people can shoot a 30-06 with 180 grain bullets much better than a lot of the magnums taken on safari. | |||
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There are a couple of variations of Barnes bullets in .308" diameter and 180 grain to try, if you had great luck with flat base 180's try a Boat Tail 180... | |||
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 A cast gas checked 200 gr. wheel weight bullet at 2200 fps. wouldn't be all bad.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I pressure tested the 200 gn tsx and it ran at the same pressures as the 200 nosler.....i could get 2700 from both the 200 nosler and 200 tsx i shot a number of scrub bulls up in North Queensland and the 200 gn tsx performed really well...penetration was phenominal , mind you the shots were short range.....i would just stick with the 200 nosler partition/accubond behind 54 gns of R17 for a vel of 2725...really good load, and i doubt you will ever need anything else Daniel | |||
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What velocities did you push the 200gr TSX? Was it in 30-06? | |||
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Ok sorry. I see you getting 2700fps | |||
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Ive shot a lot of big game with the 200 gr. Nosler in my 30-06 at about 2650 FPS average, a warm but safe load in my gun..Its an absolutely outstanding killer on deer and elk within lets say 300 to 400 yards, and shoots amazingly flat, thats only 50 FPS less than the 180 Nosler om the 30-06/(another outstanding bullet) so why wouldn't it shoot flat..Id say the 200 Nosler is my alltime favorite 30-06 game bullet, also like it best in my 300 H&H at near 3000 FPS..If you try it on game you will be sold on it, that's a guarantee! O cam get am easy 2700 FPS with a grain or two more powder and that's a safe load..but accuracy is at 2650 in my gun.  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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RAY with R17 I get 2900 fps with the 180 nosler in the 06 and that's a really good load, yet I still feel the 200 nosler @ 2700 is a better combination for all matter of game...small large and at short and long range | |||
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The 200 gr. bullets in the 30-06 never ceases to amaze me..they can only be described as deadly beyond belief. but hey the 30-06 has been amazing folks for decades, but only those that actually use it.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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With todays Mono metal bullets (Barnes for one) I see no need for a 200 grain bullet in the 30/06. A 180 mono metal bullet at 2700-2800 fps is unstoppable, meaning you will get an exit wound at most any angle and have the flatter trajectory over the 200 albeit the trajectory difference is marginal. If I were in the OP's shoes I would just try his favorite load with a boat tail instead of a flat base, problem solved no re inventing the wheel. | |||
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Thanks for your help. I found 180gr Noslers didn't group so well in my 06'. I have used mainly 200gr Speer. Interested in trying the 200gr Nosler Partition. Would the Nosler Partition be preferable to a Swift A-Frame for plainsgame? Thanks | |||
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I found the Nosler a better bullet for PG than the Swift A-Frames in that the Nosler is softer up front and opens quickly but still penetrates as deep as any bullet..The A-Frames tend to ball up an have a smooth appearance such as one might expect from a muzzle loader ball with a stem, they work well but internal damage is a bit less on PG..Both are good on buffalo etc. Both Noslers and Swifts are good bullets, so don't misread, I just like the Nosler performance better as it expands faster with jagged edges most of the time, and I have always gotten faster kills...I discussed this with swift at SCI some years ago, and he told me that is exactly why they were coming out with a new bullet called the Sirraco and I guess its a great plainsgame bullet..I have a couple of hundred loaded up but have yet to try them. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Thanks Ray, yes that makes perfect sense then. | |||
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As to this thread, I would remind ya'll that the 180 gr. monolithics will penetrate as deeplyh as a 200 gr. Nosler, some say more but in my test they are equal..I have deduced that the monolithics can all be one bullet lighter than a jacketed premium bullet like Nosler partition or Accubond, swift, northfork, etc such as a 150 Mono penetrated like a 180 Swift or whatever, and that applies to most all calibers... That said the only monolithic I trust is the GS Customs..Have had and seen failures with the most famous of the monolithics, they are outstanding when they work but very bad little boys when they fail...Lots of folks prefer them ands that's what makes a horse race.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, how are the GS Custom's different to the TSX apart from the molycoat of course? Is it a problem if petals sheer off? Thanks | |||
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