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6.5x55 with 140's
270 Win with 150's
7x57 or 280 rem with 160
30-06 with 180s
8x57 with 200s
338-06 with 210s

What are magical about these rounds..they all shoot bulets with SDs above .26 between about 2600&2800...and all seem to kill well beyond their "paper ballistics".


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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been around for along time and or very popular. bullet makers have had allot of time/incentive to develope good control of expansion etc. all are very close to ideal bore/case capacity dynamics....well mannered, so to speak. makes one have confidence in the load and stretch thier limmits, developing a good reputation and desireability....which in turn, makes the ammo/gun makers want to spend more effort on them....and the cycle continues.
most are also based on military rounds in one way or another, so they have somewhat of a jump on reliability at the extremes of thier ballistic envelope.
 
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How about the .350 rem mag. w 225's? It seems to work. Gary
 
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How about the .350 rem mag. w 225's? It seems to work. Gary


I agree, the 225's seem to be the ideal weight for both the .350 Rem Mag and the 35 Whelen. thumb


 
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308 Win, 9,3x62 and 35 Whelen should make the list.
 
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358 Win!!! I can think of others, but for it's size it's pure magic, especially with 225s. Lou


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How about the .350 rem mag. w 225's? It seems to work. Gary

No doupt the 350 Rem Mag works but wouldn't that be classed as high power? It wouldn't fit the bill of "all seem to kill well beyond their "paper ballistics"".

In Africa, the 303 Brit was considered a good big game cartridge - right alongside the 7x57.


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303 Guy,
I think I right in saying that the 303 Brit. has been used to good affect on a few deer here in Godzown Wink
 
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oldun, at least one of them was by me - a big red. Big Grin Nothing wrong with the 303 Brit! thumb


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I learned to hunt with an old Enfield, damn fine rifle. I'd say most of the military rounds in that range are awesome:

6.5x55mm
7x57mm
.308
.30-06
.303
8x57mm

I'd take any of them hunting (and have hunted with the 6.5 and .30-6 a fair bit).


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and with the current variety of bullets for the medium bores , one can load similar weighted bullets in different bore sizes eg; .280rem 175 cupcore 2700mv Vs .338-06 180gsHv monometal near 3000mv, and not let the difference in Sd worry you in regards to performance.
 
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You forgot the 9.3x62 witha 286grs bullet


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What are magical about these rounds..they all shoot bulets with SDs above .26 between about 2600&2800...and all seem to kill well beyond their "paper ballistics".


The moderate recoil. You shoot it better, you hit the target better, the target dies better.

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The reason I left the 9,3x62 and 35 cals off the list is that in my view they are substantial rounds and there is nothing magical about their capabilities.

I believe the paper ballistics of the above rounds show that they are potent.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Quote:No doupt the 350 Rem Mag works but wouldn't that be classed as high power? It wouldn't fit the bill of "all seem to kill well beyond their "paper ballistics"".Unquote:

I think it'sjust a short version og the .35 Whelen.
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