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Seems Remington has decided to send the much disliked J Lock system to the Happy Hunting Ground. Too many instances of unhappy folks because they transported the gun to the range or the deer woods or wherever, only to find the key did not accompany them. Thats gotta git old reeeal quick............ | ||
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As a side tidbit, the J-Lock is responsible for about six employees taking home their paycheck! Not that they lose their jobs, they'll maybe get shifted. | |||
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Maybe I'll start buying new Remington's again. That is, unless of course, they replace the j-lock with something equally inane. | ||
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Who said they are getting rid of the J-Lock? | |||
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I just checked all press releases on Remington's website and I saw nothing about this issue. Where did you get the word from? I have to admit, anyone who actually uses a J-lock is an idiot. Lock it open and never worry about it. | |||
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quote:If you're stupid enough to "believe" in the J-lock, buy one, and actually lock it, I guess you could be stupid enough to leave the key behind... ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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I got this information from a gentleman who is a engineer at Remington. They're only about a hour from here so theres employees vacationing all the time. This guy has a camp up here and he and some friends who also work for Remington were up for a few days. Got chattin with them, and the one guy went on quite a bit about its demise. So either I'm being completely BS'ed or I'm actually on to something new, quick. We'll see! | |||
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quote:I hope you're right. | |||
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I've never seen nor used the infamous J-lock. But, tell me, what is the problem with it? Isn't it a matter of using it if you want to and ignoring it if you don't like it? To cite a similar example: there are certain television progams that I can receive at home which I do not care for. If the alternative is banning them so that nobody can see them or simply choosing not to watch them myself, I'll choose the latter every time. What's wrong with freedom of choice? By the way, where I live, we're basically required to use trigger locks when transporting firearms. Having a built-in one might not be such a bad idea. | |||
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quote:You are absolutely right. My only problem with it is that it is an eyesore. However, you talk to some here and they'll tell you that built in MANUALLY OPERATED locks on guns are en evil plot to disarm us all. I usually tell those people to use industrial staples on their tinfoil hat, so that it won't fall off their head and they become affected by the Government's mind rays. | |||
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I'll believe when I see it! ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} I can't see how Remington could get away with making a product "less safe" (according to lawyers at least). | |||
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The problem that I see with built in locks is that it opens others to more lawsuits. When someone is killed with a rifle not equipped with the mighty jlock, some lawyer will argue that it it the gun manufacturer's fault, get millions, and force everyone else in the industry to follow suit. Gun prices will go up, and we'll all have to deal with additional trinkets on our favorite rifles. The less we can invite in lawyers, the better. | |||
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I lucked out. I bought my M700 el-cheapo "Tupperware Special" just before the j-Locks appeared. The last thing I would ever put on my guns is a lawyer inspired "Rube Goldberg Device" designed to save me from myself. I would never buy a gun that was already so equipped ZM | ||
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quote:Lawyers do not have the final say in what a business does. Particularly when there is no law breaking involved. We will see...... | |||
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Geez, another mountain out of a mole hill. When I got my first rifle with a J lock, I looked at it, functioned it and forget about it. I just don't see it anymore. I gave one of the plastic thingies to my wife to put up and put the other on my keyring. I haven't had an occassion to use it but I can see where it might be handy if one had children in his house. Especially friends of his children that have learnt their gun safety watching TV. I can also see letting a kid keep his very own rifle in his room to look at, clean, and admire while keeping the key in my pocket. By and large tho, I have ignored it. The only time I think about it is when someone goes on a rant about how his esthetics will not let him tolerate a J lock. Well, don't buy a Remington. But please be quiet. Or, since the only rifles you can abide are .25 inch shooters, which means when you buy a rifle, first thing is to send it to a smith for blueprinting and all that happy stuff, just include a new bolt shroud in your "to do" list. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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With all due respect, I think it's the idea that we need protecting from ourselves, and that the lawyers have had, once again, a hand in shaping our world. We live now in a society where people take absolutely no personal responsibility for our own actions. If we do something stupid, we sue someone and get millions. We stand on the top rung of a stepladder, leave a loaded gun on the coffee table, let a 12 year old ride a four wheeler without supervision, point a loaded gun in the direction of people, etc. and when something happens, we blame Ruger, Honda, the stepladder maker, or whoever else we can drag into it. If real stupidity is, doing the same things and expecting different results, we as a society take the cake. If we aren't smart enough to not leave a loaded gun around children, not smart enough to teach them how to respect guns, to stay off the top rung of a stepladder etc., then can't we at least learn from the incompetent actions of others? Can't we at least realize, that we chose these actions, and are responsible for them? I thank God my father taught me at a young age how to handle a loaded gun, and how to take credit for my actions, even when I'm in the wrong. He died when I was 14, but he taught me an important lesson that society is struggling with some 32 years later. I guess he was a wise man. | |||
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Bobby, some excellent points and an excellent post. Also, my best regards as at no point did you go off into esthetic hysteria over the appearence. My basic point is the j lock gives you an option. Not everyone has had the advantages of a father like yours. Sadly, some know about firearms only what they see on TV. (this includes a hell of a lot of adults) When my kids were young and at home, I was much more concerned about friends of theirs rather than them. I told both of them to tell their friends to consider all guns loaded and all knives sharp AND to keep your hands off of them both. | |||
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beemanbeme, you make an excellent point. I know I'll get smeared by this, but, I don't think the "j" lock looks that bad. I mean it doesn't stick out in your face when you see a Remington. If someone hadn't made a big deal out of it's looks I probably wouldn't have minded it. That only goes as far as looks, I still have a loathe for the lawyers that are ruining our society. I'm not a big fan of Remington's corporate decisions either, I mean they fixed a percieved problem with the 700's trigger, by making it possible to unload the gun with the safety on. How does that fix the safety problem? It doesn't, it's just cheaper to grind a bit of metal off the safety lever, than redesign the trigger for a new safety. I'm sure some lawyer told them that if they fixed it, that would be the same as admitting that it was defective in the first place. That's what lawyers have gotten us into. So, I guess you can't put all the blame on Remington, but I'd have more respect for them if they would fix the problem right. I do agree, that locking a gun is a good, sensable idea. I don't know that is has to be a permanent attachment to the gun, though. I was lucky, and I know it. I only wish everyone could have been so lucky. [ 08-28-2003, 20:35: Message edited by: Bobby ] | |||
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I don't think the J-lock looks bad on rifles either, but I think they look downright ugly on the shotguns. Matt | |||
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quote:Now that's weird. At least on their shotguns, the J-lock is integrated into the safety button. When you look at the safety from the gun's left, all you see is the J slot on it. The lock sticks out like a sore thumb out of the bolt shroud on the rifles. What's more, the 332 O/U shotgun does not have the J-lock anywhere. I may pick one up with 30" barrels for sporting clays, since they are fairly affordable. | |||
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lol Well, I say that because I was putting some new 870's up on the display the other day and I thought to myself that the j-lock looks awfully ugly on that saftey. I guess once you have it in your hands hunting you wouldn't notice it, unlike the rifle bolt. It looks ugly from the side though, to me anyways. Matt | |||
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I read in the paper today that several states are moving towards all handguns sold being "smart." That is, they have to recognize the shooter to actually fire... I still can't figure out how a gun can be smart, anymore than it can have ethics. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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there was ablurb in the paper the other day about an Australian company marketing a "smart" handgun that only allows "authorised" users to fire it. Rrrriiightt! - Dan | |||
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quote:I guess the politicians can't see the difference between responsible owner's and "smart" hand guns. Guns can't thinks soo Perhaps they should focus on something else, I guess you would be able to manipulate electronic devices on guns just like anything other electronic Why can't someone give us some smart, sensible and intelectual politicians. Were are they / JOHAN | ||
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They have the technology. I don't know if its happened yet but when my son was in the Navy, they were working on a ID tag that could be scanned by say a corpman and it would give entire medical histories. I think driver's license of the same sort are in the works. I think instead of making them smart, they should include tracking devices like in automobiles. When (and if) they're stolen, they can be tracked. | |||
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quote:Actually I think they are saving the tracking devices for insertion under everyones skin ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif){kind=icon} And I think what makes the J lock so ugly is the fact that they are shoved upon us like all the rest of the anti-gun bullshit. If the J-Lock were an optional item at the time of purchase I don't think it would have received such a bad rap. And no I would not opt for one | |||
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quote:Related information: http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/cb_headline.cgi?&story_file=bw.090203/232455394 Another "tool" in the "war on terrorism"?... Regards, Bill | |||
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quote:I tell you this. Anyone who would try to implant one of those chips in me will first be implanted with a copper-clad lead-core hollow point chip by me. | |||
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The problem, Orion, is they won't do it to us. They'll start with the kids. And they'll pass it off as some sort of "we're doing it for the children incase they're ever stolen." Just like they are fingerprinting and keeping DNA profiles of babies. And they have synthesized a "need" to justify this sort of intrusion. | |||
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quote:They won't start with my girl. What I said about me applies double for her. The doktor will get a double tap for his trouble. | |||
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J-Lock = Firearm Aversion Therapy There will be more. | |||
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