Hi does anyone form 9.3 from 30/06 brass if so how is it done do you trim before or after you full length resize? also has anyone heard of using pistol powder with a wad of some sort to fireform? I was told once you could load some pistol powder (not telling what weight but it is light)then push some pumpkin skin onto the neck to form some resistence fire in rifle and you should have some nice fire formed cases I understand that this is a lot of mucking around but with the price of 30/06 brass compared to 9.3x62 it is econonimical to try any thoughts?

SMLE,

I resized 8 30/06 cases by running through the FLS die. It seemed to be very hard on the dies and I would be dubious about it as it might damage your dies, maybe somone could tell me if I am wrong on that.

Anyway I would just buy some lapua cases I paid $120AUS and really 120 cases would last a fair while, and would be half of the mucking about. Also I like to have correctly head stamped stuff.

Also try Grafs in the states there quite cheap.

Thanks PC I was just playing before with some cases I dont know if they will even fire the shoulder is a tad far down on 30/06 brass
where did you get your 9.3 cases? the local prices were nearly double that $120 i can come at but not nearly $200

Providing you have lubed a case and the case was relatively clean I doubt you would ever damage a tempered steel die with a soft brass case. I have formed hundreds of 06 cases into 35 Whelan cases with zero problems. My die has a tapered expander designed for this. If you don't have or can't get a tapered expander I would suggest you expand the neck in 2 steps . Take it up to 338 cal in the first step then to 366 in the second. The shoulder will not be perfect until you fireform the case. I would suggest you use a bullet long enough to seat out so it positively engages the rifling. The 270 gr Speer is good for this.Use these fireforming loads for practice or plinking.Once fired they will be perfectly formed. Trim the necks just enough to square them up.They will likely be just a little shorter than factory cases to start with.Cases formed from 06 brass will have slightly less capacity than factory 9.3x62 cases so max loads will be a couple grains less.Hope this helps.

The Speer reloading manual gives instuctions as to reforming 30-06 brass to 9.3x62. In fact I think all their loads were worked up by reforming 30-06 brass. The recommend necking up by using a .375 expander before resizing to give a shoulder. Of course I have never tried it as I have not gotten the 9.3 CZ rifle I want yet . However there seems to be a lot of 9.3X62 brass available, and ammo too.

1. It's possible.

2. It's feasible.

3. It is not recommended because the dimensions are different, and .30-06 brass is undersized in diameter.

Carcano

SMLE I would try Grafs over the internet (there great, I just got .458 lott dies & brass from them)or Rebel Sport in QLD. or RF Scotts in Ballarat. Grafs will be the cheapest bet, keep your order under $100 US and you won't need an export licence.

It's best to get the right stuff from the start. But it costs a fortune, at least until Graf's brass comes to market, and until then, reformed 30-06 brass will do nicely.

I've used reformed 30-06 brass for several months and it works just fine. I load 286-grain Nosler Partitions to 2,300 fps and have had no problems with cases. Go to 24hourcampfire.com and search for fireforming information. Ken Howell's method is similar to what you describe. Once I got the charge worked out, the cases had perfectly formed shoulders. I trimmed them and they were ready for full-power loads.

The differences that Carcano mentioned exist, but they are minor and do not get in the way. I don't know if you've read "Pet Loads" by Ken Waters. He may be the most technically competent reloading writer working today, and he used reformed brass to work with the 9.3x62. I can't say that I agree with everything that he does, but he's one of the most careful reloaders I've ever encountered, and it says a lot that he's comfortable with reformed brass.

As I said, it's best to have the right stuff from the start. I've used 30-06 brass with less than full-power loads and without problems. It can be done, but you're on your own if you go there.

Hope this helps, Okie John.

smlekid, what if someone in the US bought you the brass and then shipped it to you? Or would the shipping costs from US to AUS negate the price difference?

Johnnyreb I don't know what the price would be to ship stuff from the States i have had things shipped before it isn't to bad posted surface but Air mail gets a little bit out of hand
it is funny with the udersize case thing i also shoot a swedish m38 and have found that the the American loaded ammo is based on a 30/06 head sized case once it has been fired and formed to your chamber it seems fine it is a pity that saami and cip can't get together and agree on case sizes !!!

smlekid
For what it's worth I form 375-06 or 375 Whelen in a single pass. I got my set of dies and expander from Redding. After forming I clean the cases load them up with a moderate load behind a cast bullet. Then I clean, resize, trim, primer poket and flash hole uniform, clean again and reload with full power load 375 Whelen. I use 35 Whelen data as a starting point.
Jim

Grafs really are worth a look smle, even with the air freight costs I still saved $$$ on the lott brass and dies. I think I will order some Grfs 9.3 brass for when it's ready at christmas to, it is quite cheap. The lapua cases are of excellent quality and I would just take the plunge and buy 100 off those.

Since Graf's do not make any brass, and never have done so - who is the actual producer of "their" 9,3x62 ? Prvi Partizan, perchance ?

Carcano

Thanks all have ordered some lapua cases from graffs although some other bloke might be an aussie just about cleaned them out they only had 60 left until they arrive i will play with the 30/06 brass just to get the rifle printing somewhere near the spot

Much easier to form 9.3x62 brass from 35 Whelen brass than from 30-06.

Remington 35 Whelen brass was the route I took for 9.3 x 62 brass development. I mostly shoot cast bullets at mid-range velocities, but used 9mm Makarov JHP's to fire-form the shoulders--and zap ground squirrels at the same time.