I have receintly obtained a Shultz and Larsen rifle. It was origionaly a 7X61 Cal. but has been converted to
7 MM REM MAG. I cannot find a lot of imformation about this rifle. I know it is made in Denmark. It has a 32" barrel. I have only found two others on GUN BROKER but they were .243 Cal. The value of those two rifles were very pricey. This rifle was a gift to me and was in my father and laws collection for a long time. Any information would be helpful......mainly the approx. value of the rifle.

Might this be of interest: Schultz & Larsen?? I think they went bust for a while, but have started up again. They are one of the few manufacturers of cut-rifle barrels in Europe. Not too well know outside of Scandinavia - and if so mostly for chambering the 7x61.
- mike

I looked at one of their new guns, a takedown. I really liked it because it wasd avalible in .458 Win. Felt alot like my old Sauer 90 Safari. I have thought about buying one for a couple of months to see how it all worked out of curiosity. I really doubt the system is as convienent or as accurate as the Blaser.


Aleko

if i remember correctly (and my memory is very good, but just for short periods of time) the fame of schultz and larsen laid with the 7x61 sharps and hart cartridge. This was one of the original 7mm mag type of cartridges, taken up by warren page and a couple or minor papermen, it was an excellent combo, but quite short lived, killed off by the 7mm remington.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
if i remember correctly (and my memory is very good, but just for short periods of time) the fame of schultz and larsen laid with the 7x61 sharps and hart cartridge. This was one of the original 7mm mag type of cartridges, taken up by warren page and a couple or minor papermen, it was an excellent combo, but quite short lived, killed off by the 7mm remington.

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As far as NA hunters' use of the S&L, you are probably right...most used it to get at the 7x61 Sharpe & Hart cartridge in a smooth, high quality, factory gun. Phil Sharpe, incidentally, was reported to have "developed" (copied?) the cartridge from one he found in France during WW II when he was serving in the ETO as a minor-league ordnance-type.

Warren Page hyped the 7 mm Mashburn Magnum more than the 7x61 S&H. Mssr. Page carried and hunted dang near everything with his 7 m/m Mashburn (which was, in turn, very similar to the 7 m/m Wby Mag).

S&L was very well known BEFORE and concurrent with the 7x61 sporter though, by 4-position 300-meter target shooters, for their series of "free-rifle" competition guns. I've had their factory original free rifles in calibers .243 Winchester, 6.5x55 Swede, .308 Winchester, and .30-'06 US Gov't. (Still have the .30-06.) I sold the 6.5x55 to Mitch Maxberry, former US Camp Perry nat'l champ.

They are absolutely top quality guns, rivaling the Swiss "Tanner" rifles in their target series, in my opinion. The free rifles come with S&L's own micrometer rear sight and aperature front sight, interchangerble "standard" & "Swiss" buttplates, and a palm-rest.

N.B.: A local gunsmith here currently has a S&L sporter for sale which is FACTORY chambered for the 7 m/m Rem Mag, of which there were darned few, for which he is asking $495. I don't have the money, but guess I'm gonna have to buy it anyway.

Alberta Canuck

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Warren Page hyped the 7 mm Mashburn Magnum more than the 7x61 S&H. Mssr. Page carried and hunted dang near everything with his 7 m/m Mashburn (which was, in turn, very similar to the 7 m/m Wby Mag).

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Warren Page hunted with the 7mm Mashburn Short Magnum, which became the 7mm Remington Magnum. The 7mm Mashburn Magnum is the full-length H&H case necked down to 7mm and blown out to minimum taper, ala the 7mm STW.

Question for you guys. Who was the "Hart" of the Sharpe and Hart duo? I used to dream about buying a 7x61 back in the 50's before I had any money. I knew who Phil Sharpe was, but didn't know who the other guy was.
Thanks,
Don

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Originally posted by DMB:
Question for you guys. Who was the "Hart" of the Sharpe and Hart duo? I used to dream about buying a 7x61 back in the 50's before I had any money. I knew who Phil Sharpe was, but didn't know who the other guy was.
Thanks,
Don

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Tbe Sharpe was Phil Sharpe, author of a couple of very well known books of the era just before WWII..."Complete Guide to Handloading, Funk & Wagnalls Company, USA, 1937, 461 pages, with a supplement first copyrighted 1949, 264 pages", and "The Rifle in America, Funk & Wagnalls Company, USA, 1938, 782 pages".


He also wrote shooting related material for numerous outdoor magazines. Both his books are treasures of hard to find material, but have to be used with great care, as both are replete with MANY errors.

He served with US Army Ordnance in WW II as an enlisted man, and I do not recall his ever having been commissioned, though my memory could be in error on that Commission bit. He was killed in an auto accident (in the mid-to-late 50's, I seem to recall...I could look up the date, but don't think it critical at this point).

My own personal opinion is that he was a bit of a blow-hard and very strongly valued his own opinions, which he always took for facts. None-the-less, he did do a LOT of shooting, wrote a lot of interesting stuff, and was right much more often than he was wrong.

I believe the Hart was a member of the family that established two current gun products companies. The one company was the action-makers now serving mainly as accessory providers and gunsmiths, the other the famous barrel-making company. Seems to me the Hart involved with Sharpe and S&L was the founder of the action company, but I could well be mistaken. Someone in the US NE probably knows full well off the top of their head exactly what/who he was, but if they don't post it here, I'll try to look it up tomorrow when I have more time.

Best wishes,


Alberta Canuck

[QUOTE]Warren Page hunted with the 7mm Mashburn Short Magnum, which became the 7mm Remington Magnum.

Don't forget that the short belted 7 m/m magnums probably originated in Britain, not with American wildcats...in the form of the .275 H&H (.275 Belted Nitro Express) which is 2.500" brass length (exactly the same length as the 7 m/m Remington Mag) and was commercially introduced in England in 1911...94 years ago.

Alberta Canuck

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Don't forget that the short belted 7 m/m magnums probably originated in Britain, not with American wildcats...in the form of the .275 H&H (.275 Belted Nitro Express) which is 2.500" brass length (exactly the same length as the 7 m/m Remington Mag) and was commercially introduced in England in 1911...94 years ago.

Alberta Canuck

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That's right. In reality, there haven't been very many truly new cartridges introduced since about 1920.

I sent an e-mail off to Michelle (Hart) Sutton of Hart Rifle Barrels to see if the "Hart" was one of their clan, the barrel and action makers, and she said that he wasn't one of them. That's why I'm curious as to who the "Hart" guy was..

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Originally posted by DMB:
I sent an e-mail off to Michelle (Hart) Sutton of Hart Rifle Barrels to see if the "Hart" was one of their clan, the barrel and action makers, and she said that he wasn't one of them. That's why I'm curious as to who the "Hart" guy was..

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Richard F. Hart is mentioned as Philip Sharpe's partner/collaborator in every load manual I have that also has data for the 7x61mm. The NRA Handloading Guide even goes as far as stating that Richard Hart is NOT related to the Hart family of benchrest and barrel making fame.

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Richard F. Hart is mentioned as Philip Sharpe's partner/collaborator in every load manual...

That is true. I have found that exact name in 3 different sources contemporary to the introduction of the cartridge in 1953.

I thought I had read somewhere that he was the same Hart responsible for the Hart benchrest action, but it is becoming obvious that even if I did read that, it is not correct.

Tried "Googling" Richard F. Hart and found quite a few of them, some relatively famous in other fields, but no entry so far which gives any background of THE "Richard F. Hart" who was Sharpe's erstwhile partner in the design of the 7x61 S&H cartridge.

Frank de Haas DOES mention that a third major player in the cartridge design was the Mr. Larsen of S&L rifle fame.

Now I am REALLY curious....I hate for this kind of history of our sport to disappear, so to speak.

Alberta Canuck

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Richard F. Hart is mentioned as Philip Sharpe's partner/collaborator in every load manual I have that also has data for the 7x61mm. The NRA Handloading Guide even goes as far as stating that Richard Hart is NOT related to the Hart family of benchrest and barrel making fame.

Thanks for the info. That's what I was looking for. I'll do a search and try to find something about him.
Don