http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkktYS-TBQ8

Take a look at this site, real hunting in Africa (for the most part)

WOW!!

YEP...............WOW SAYS IT ALL

Hard to believe.

JHC....now I KNOW why we now use guns......

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Originally posted by Avatar:
JHC....now I KNOW why we now use guns......

Ditto....

If a guy has to eat and all he has is a spear then I suppose......... But as far as sport hunting I'll take a appropriate firearm and a cleaner,quicker kill.

Wow. That is quite a scene. One elephant standing his ground against 50 or 100 humans,spears comming in and cutting him just below the skin at a rate of probably 5 per second.
This video should be shown to anybody who thinks rifles are inhumane.One hit, its over.

When the elephant removes the spears from his own head...that kind of tugs on the heart. Surely a native or three was smashed in these hunts. Throwing spears into a herd of buffalo...nuts. That hippo was UPSET!

That's an unbelievable video!

Tripping Zebra with rope, young boys chasing a heard of Buff, etc etc


I kinda felt bad for that Elephant, it made my eye hurt each time I saw a spear hit his eye/trunk.

Oh yeah,

how about the mass murder graves at the end as well as the ?poachers?/ ?murderers? shooting at the filming helicopter.

I watched it and I understand that the world is a nasty place,but for me that was one of the most offensive film clips I have ever watched..I have been around the block a few times, but I didn't need to see that.

I didn't need to see it either....but it does show some of the barbarity that is foisted on animals, truly disheartening.

the chef

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Originally posted by yukon delta:
Surely a native or three was smashed in these hunts.

I was routing for the animals…….

Looks like the spear chuckers got it in the end.

I too was routing for the critters...sad video.

MG

For me the most disgusting part was the zebra tripping with rope and cars. I mean WTF was that about!!? Any reasonable explanation ?

The rest: well, that is pretty much how the spearing works, not the quality but the quantity. Blood loss and shock will kill the prey eventually. I do have my doubts that this was done more or less just for filming, since the elephant was clearly killed by rifleshot finally. And as there was an appropriate weapon available, whyTF spearing and unnecessary pain for the animals!!?

The film appears to be quite famous anyway, filmed sometimes in the 60's.

Excellent video.Juan

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Originally posted by JTH:
For me the most disgusting part was the zebra tripping with rope and cars. I mean WTF was that about!!? Any reasonable explanation ?

Simply live game capture.



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Spearing might be graphic in its effect but it has been done for thousands of years. I was actually interested to see how effective it still is and especially on some very large game animals.

Hmm, OK. I just wonder what use does anyone have for a bunch of zebras with broken legs?

The whole movie where those clips are taken from, is called "Africa Addio" from 1960's. It's about the effects of decolonisation in Africa and is definitely a must for anyone interested in Africa. It's one of the so-called mondo-documentaries and was blamed to be fascist-spirited at it's time, but I find it interesting. You can watch the full movie here and I truly recommend it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5855323615829365487&q=africa+addio

I had to wait until I got home to download the clip because youtube is blocked here at my office. I was interested enough in viewing this clip that I waited a looong time for my dial up connection to download it. I was experiencing 2 different feelings while watching this clip: pure fascination and a little bit of shock (the elephant part primarily)...After some thought here is my take on it. (just the hunting/spearing parts of the clip)

We, as sportsman/hunters, take great pride in 'using enough gun' to quickly, efficiently and humanely take our game. We spend alot of money to accomplish this. But our main mission is for the hunt/experience and the collection of a nice trophy. We don't spend all that money on equipment and travel to hunt elephant and cape buffalo for food/survival. When was the last time anyone here killed an elephant because they were hungry?

I was fascinated at the organization and shear bravery of the hunters involved in the elephant, buffalo and hippo hunts. They were throwing spears, making hits on the animal and had to get danger close to retrieve their spear so that could strike again! Some say that the elephant hunt was hard to watch and I have to agree. But as NitroX said, they have been doing this for thousands of years and it's natural for those hunters to provide for the tribe in this way.

After some more thought it occured to me that targeting the elephant, buffalo and hippo makes alot of sense. On the waterbuck hunt I saw alot of energy being expended at trying to take that animal. A waterbuck is not a big animal if you are trying to feed a large tribe. Hunting the bigger animals requires a few more people and some more energy expended but the pay-off is huge. How long can one elephant feed a village? How many waterbuck/impala/kudu, etc., would it take to match that? It's all about efficiency and survival.

Just my thoughts on it.

I like to think of myself as open minded but that was nasty ! survival is one thing but sport is definately something else.

Leeboy

That video is difficul tto watch in some respects, but I don't consider it offensive.

If I had to get dinner for my family, and all I had was a spear and a few buddies with spears, I'd be right in there....

TXPO said it all for me.

It is what it is. These people are hunting for food. They don't have firearms, they aren't doing it for sport. They are hunting to survive. I admire their tenacity.

Anyone notice that at one point in the video (now available elsewhere on youtube) the Elephant was obviously shot with a gun (after about a hundred spearings).

Yes, humans have spearhunted for thousands of years although I doubt they targeted hippos and elephants that often (maybe I'm wrong, I wasn't there). Can't be the most efficient method, heck, those things hardly broke the skin. I'd suspect that would have been done only in pretty severe desperation (maybe not).

Something really nasty about this video (ie, how much did someone pay to have this done?). Part of me suspects that much of it was NOT done for food/defence against dangerous animals. More for thrills/some sicko wanting it on video.

I don't know. I'm a little put off.

but then, that's just me.

Here is the new link to the video in Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htimBdLg6es

Good Hunting!

It makes me wonder also the desire to film this. I do however posess a two pronged heavy spear that was used for hippo. I can't remember specifics but elephant were routinely engaged by spear hunters. Just like the "bad ass kitty" video that circulated around, I found my self pulling for the critters a little.

Jeff

The natives have to eat somehow, don't they?

Have any of you ever watched a documentary about animals fighting to the death, or seemingly killing for the fun of it? Well, the film maker in those films did not interveen. Well, they did not interveen in this one either. I wonder why there is nothing said about the mass graves? Sure the killing with spears is dificult to watch, but what about the spearing, hacking with a machete etc. of humans at the end of this. Surely they were not just laying around in the afternoon sun. What about the guys in the chopper getting shot at?
Yep, no doubt about it Africa, as well as other places in this world are very different than what us "first world" people are used to.
What about the last few days in Africa where the loosers of an election went on a rempage burning, looting, killing etc?
I never quite figured out just what the advantage is to burning ones village, homes, or towns; as it happened in Detroit in 1968,would be. Very strange indeed. I guess you can take the African out of Africa, but not the Africa out of the African.